TfL Box Junction penalty

HarryIb

Advising someone on this matter: He crossed a box junction and stopped - literally (correct use of the word) - for no more than two seconds. The penalty is £160 reduced to £80 if paid within 14 days. Is this worth contesting?

The_Slithy_Tove

Best place for this is on the Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) section of the Free Traffic Legal Advice forums. Search for FTLA, and be sure to read the READ THIS FIRST thread before posting.

MyRealNameToo

So they entered a yellow box junction when their exit wasnt clear and they weren't turning right and as a consequence had to stop in the yellow box junction contrary to rule 174 of the Highway Code and TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2)?

You've not given any mitigating circumstances and the rules are fairly clear cut. Guessing they gambled the traffic would clear rather than actually being clear and they guessed wrong. 

HarryIb

MyRealNameToo said:

So they entered a yellow box junction when their exit wasnt clear and they weren't turning right and as a consequence had to stop in the yellow box junction contrary to rule 174 of the Highway Code and TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2)?

You've not given any mitigating circumstances and the rules are fairly clear cut. Guessing they gambled the traffic would clear rather than actually being clear and they guessed wrong. 

I should have added  - yes, he was turning right.

Coupon-mad

Turning right within the box junction?

HarryIb

Coupon-mad said:

Turning right within the box junction?

He was turning right. Entered the box junction to do so, momentarily stopped, then continued on his way. At no point did he block the junction.

Coupon-mad

Turning immediately right and only stopping due to oncoming traffic (then completing the right turn) is a winning appeal.

As long as the right turn was IN the juntion.

HarryIb

Coupon-mad said:

Turning immediately right and only stopping due to oncoming traffic (then completing the right turn) is a winning appeal.

As long as the right turn was IN the junction.

Thanks. That is the case. I'm suggesting strongly that he appeals. One lingering worry is that if he does appeal, and loses, he won't get the discounted payment option - £80 as opposed to £160.

Gr1pr

But that is the dilemma and the gamble in any of these cases

Car1980

But everybody knows you can stop in a box junction to turn right. It's pretty difficult not to.

Are you sure? Is there a video to view? Because it would be alarming if the council were issuing such penalties.

Generally they hold the discounted rate if an appeal is unsuccessful because they don't want you going to the Tribunal.

Coupon-mad

HarryIb said:

Coupon-mad said:

Turning immediately right and only stopping due to oncoming traffic (then completing the right turn) is a winning appeal.

As long as the right turn was IN the junction.

Thanks. That is the case. I'm suggesting strongly that he appeals. One lingering worry is that if he does appeal, and loses, he won't get the discounted payment option - £80 as opposed to £160.

If it is as you describe then he can't lose.

Show us the video.