Tiling

stuart45

WIAWSNB said:

I've always gone against the normal method of tiling around baths and showers, and will continue to do so as it works for me.
Where do bath seals fail? Yes, between the bath lip and the wall. Where do showers fail? Ditto, between the tray lip and the wall.
Does this happen a lot? Well, given enough time, I reckon it is more likely than not to occur.
So, I always tile down below lip height by at least a couple of inches. I then grout. Finally I fit the bath/tray with a sizeable joint of silicone between the contact points. Finally, after the installation is complete, I add the finishing bead of silicone using a Fugi.
This way the bath/tray is anchored - bonded - in place too, and kept more firm against any movement. It also provides a minimum 1" wide sealed contact area all around the wall even before the finishing bead. And finally it is given 'the' finishing bead, which is the only thing it shares with the tile-down method.
I also prefer it for aesthetic reasons - I really don't like the look of a bath rim half buried in a wall. And it even gives your shower a helpful extra ~10mm of width
This have never let me down. I'll discover soon whether it has on my current tray, - in place for over 20 years - when I redo it next year. I will 'fess up if it hasn't worked, but there's certainly no sign it has - the tray remains solidly in place, with zero movement.
Of course, anyone considering this would have to be happy about doing so. 

There's another solution to avoid leaks without needing a silicone bead showing. By using a shower tray with an upstand, the tiles stop 1 or 2mm short of the tray and have the silicone at the back of the tiles. This method is normal in places such as New Zealand, where people don't like the idea of a mouldy bead along the bottom of the tray.

Slinky

stuart45 said:

WIAWSNB said:

I've always gone against the normal method of tiling around baths and showers, and will continue to do so as it works for me.
Where do bath seals fail? Yes, between the bath lip and the wall. Where do showers fail? Ditto, between the tray lip and the wall.
Does this happen a lot? Well, given enough time, I reckon it is more likely than not to occur.
So, I always tile down below lip height by at least a couple of inches. I then grout. Finally I fit the bath/tray with a sizeable joint of silicone between the contact points. Finally, after the installation is complete, I add the finishing bead of silicone using a Fugi.
This way the bath/tray is anchored - bonded - in place too, and kept more firm against any movement. It also provides a minimum 1" wide sealed contact area all around the wall even before the finishing bead. And finally it is given 'the' finishing bead, which is the only thing it shares with the tile-down method.
I also prefer it for aesthetic reasons - I really don't like the look of a bath rim half buried in a wall. And it even gives your shower a helpful extra ~10mm of width
This have never let me down. I'll discover soon whether it has on my current tray, - in place for over 20 years - when I redo it next year. I will 'fess up if it hasn't worked, but there's certainly no sign it has - the tray remains solidly in place, with zero movement.
Of course, anyone considering this would have to be happy about doing so. 

There's another solution to avoid leaks without needing a silicone bead showing. By using a shower tray with an upstand, the tiles stop 1 or 2mm short of the tray and have the silicone at the back of the tiles. This method is normal in places such as New Zealand, where people don't like the idea of a mouldy bead along the bottom of the tray.

We were recommended to use this stuff  https://www.bes.co.uk/aquastrap-seal-3-4-m-roll-20183/  We had it used around the shower and the bath.

We needed a shower tray with very particular dimensions to fit a small space, not available with an upstand.  

stuart45

Slinky said:

stuart45 said:

WIAWSNB said:

I've always gone against the normal method of tiling around baths and showers, and will continue to do so as it works for me.
Where do bath seals fail? Yes, between the bath lip and the wall. Where do showers fail? Ditto, between the tray lip and the wall.
Does this happen a lot? Well, given enough time, I reckon it is more likely than not to occur.
So, I always tile down below lip height by at least a couple of inches. I then grout. Finally I fit the bath/tray with a sizeable joint of silicone between the contact points. Finally, after the installation is complete, I add the finishing bead of silicone using a Fugi.
This way the bath/tray is anchored - bonded - in place too, and kept more firm against any movement. It also provides a minimum 1" wide sealed contact area all around the wall even before the finishing bead. And finally it is given 'the' finishing bead, which is the only thing it shares with the tile-down method.
I also prefer it for aesthetic reasons - I really don't like the look of a bath rim half buried in a wall. And it even gives your shower a helpful extra ~10mm of width
This have never let me down. I'll discover soon whether it has on my current tray, - in place for over 20 years - when I redo it next year. I will 'fess up if it hasn't worked, but there's certainly no sign it has - the tray remains solidly in place, with zero movement.
Of course, anyone considering this would have to be happy about doing so. 

There's another solution to avoid leaks without needing a silicone bead showing. By using a shower tray with an upstand, the tiles stop 1 or 2mm short of the tray and have the silicone at the back of the tiles. This method is normal in places such as New Zealand, where people don't like the idea of a mouldy bead along the bottom of the tray.

We were recommended to use this stuff  https://www.bes.co.uk/aquastrap-seal-3-4-m-roll-20183/  We had it used around the shower and the bath.

We needed a shower tray with very particular dimensions to fit a small space, not available with an upstand.  

It's the same principle as an upstand. I know a few plumbers who use it.