PIP - Appeal awarded me Daily Living/Enhanced Mobility 6 months ago, reassessment took it all away

Spoonie_Turtle

^ Simply tell them that (and more, addressing each faulty reasoning).  Explain clearly in writing, and relate it to each activity.

I know one of the things is ‘if you can motivate yourself to work you can motivate yourself for other things’,

Very often not true.  Especially with ADHD it can be that you can only force yourself to do things when it's absolutely necessary, such as working because it's an externally imposed structure and the only other option is not having any money for food or housing - perhaps not the case for you with your current work, since you enjoy your work and can hyperfocus on it, but that's why the generalisation above is simply not true.  It's also why many people with ADHD need a firm deadline to get things done.  Daily life doesn't tend to have that, at least not with the activities PIP assesses.

ayupmeduck

vitaminz said:

Thanks all for your comments  

I will definitely explain about occupational therapy for my conditions mainly being in childhood, but what has alarmed me is that it feels looks every word has been twisted to have a different meaning. I said that CBT helped me realise I need an ADHD assessment (my therapist actually pointed this out and convinced me to get assessed), but he has taken this to mean CBT ‘helped’ my conditions mainly being. It helped me get a diagnosis for one part of my problems - but that’s all. I made sure, after some online and family advice, to ensure I’m clear if things are most of the time - but it’s like it’s been ignored? I have all my life had these issues and it left me in a spin wondering if I said the right thing? Or if I’m somehow lying to myself?

It also says I no longer have medical intervention - this is not true! I have regular reviews with the ADHD team, and also checkups with my GP for mental health, and I’m pretty sure I made that clear? 

The thought of going through all of it again is horrible. He seemed really understanding on the phone - he didn’t ask me to clarify anything which may have made his conclusions more accurate, he just seemed sympathetic. I know it’s probably to reduce my anxiety but it feels awful reading that report and seeing the ‘you said, I decided’ wording against me

My daily living conditions haven’t changed at all since I first applied in 2022, which the tribunal awarded me, and the mobility part hasn’t changed either - I work from home

I know one of the things is ‘if you can motivate yourself to work you can motivate yourself for other things’, and that’s something that’s made me feel guilty for a while, until my ADHD specialist told me hyper focus is very normal in ADHD and it’s true - I get completely absorbed and probably neglect myself even more.

Getting an ADHD diagnosis as an adult doesn't change much to be fair. People will have manage education, managed employment, basically manage their life and a diagnosis doesn't change this, not for PIP. 

And yes if you have motivation in one area, it basically means you have motivation in all areas. PIP looks at specialists support, medication changes etc not just the condition. People tend to think if they can cope in one area but not another that will automatically get them PIP. Take engaging for instance...can engage at work, works a customer facing role but can't engage socially...none scoring. Also not being able to leave the house so doesn't engage has no baring on that activity. 

rosewalk

I am currently supporting someone whose PIP has recently been reviewed and has lost his award. He has  severe mental health issues and what appears to have happened is that the Health Professional has made a number of assumptions about the impact of his treatment and medication without exploring these further. I have read a number of other Consultation Reports where the assessor has failed to understand that although someone has received treatment or medication this hasn't led to any significant impact on the difficulties that have with daily living activities.

huckster

The whole assessment process appears not fit for purpose, which may be why Government are looking to change it, with new legislation.

From what I have noticed, some appear to be awarded this kind of additional benefit help and others not awarded the help where some of those denied appear to have greater needs for support.

In regard to OP's situation, of course they may apply for MR and appeal, but I wonder if this is something that should be subject to complaint and referral to independent case examiner if necessary. Given that there was a live case with Courts Tribunal, have DWP followed correct process in regard to this reassessment process?

vitaminz

ayupmeduck said:

vitaminz said:

Thanks all for your comments  

I will definitely explain about occupational therapy for my conditions mainly being in childhood, but what has alarmed me is that it feels looks every word has been twisted to have a different meaning. I said that CBT helped me realise I need an ADHD assessment (my therapist actually pointed this out and convinced me to get assessed), but he has taken this to mean CBT ‘helped’ my conditions mainly being. It helped me get a diagnosis for one part of my problems - but that’s all. I made sure, after some online and family advice, to ensure I’m clear if things are most of the time - but it’s like it’s been ignored? I have all my life had these issues and it left me in a spin wondering if I said the right thing? Or if I’m somehow lying to myself?

It also says I no longer have medical intervention - this is not true! I have regular reviews with the ADHD team, and also checkups with my GP for mental health, and I’m pretty sure I made that clear? 

The thought of going through all of it again is horrible. He seemed really understanding on the phone - he didn’t ask me to clarify anything which may have made his conclusions more accurate, he just seemed sympathetic. I know it’s probably to reduce my anxiety but it feels awful reading that report and seeing the ‘you said, I decided’ wording against me

My daily living conditions haven’t changed at all since I first applied in 2022, which the tribunal awarded me, and the mobility part hasn’t changed either - I work from home

I know one of the things is ‘if you can motivate yourself to work you can motivate yourself for other things’, and that’s something that’s made me feel guilty for a while, until my ADHD specialist told me hyper focus is very normal in ADHD and it’s true - I get completely absorbed and probably neglect myself even more.

Getting an ADHD diagnosis as an adult doesn't change much to be fair. People will have manage education, managed employment, basically manage their life and a diagnosis doesn't change this, not for PIP. 

And yes if you have motivation in one area, it basically means you have motivation in all areas. PIP looks at specialists support, medication changes etc not just the condition. People tend to think if they can cope in one area but not another that will automatically get them PIP. Take engaging for instance...can engage at work, works a customer facing role but can't engage socially...none scoring. Also not being able to leave the house so doesn't engage has no baring on that activity. 

I do understand that - but my role is at home and not customer facing so I don’t see how they equate that I guess 

born_again

vitaminz said:

Thanks all for your comments  

I will definitely explain about occupational therapy for my conditions mainly being in childhood, but what has alarmed me is that it feels looks every word has been twisted to have a different meaning. I said that CBT helped me realise I need an ADHD assessment (my therapist actually pointed this out and convinced me to get assessed), but he has taken this to mean CBT ‘helped’ my conditions mainly being. It helped me get a diagnosis for one part of my problems - but that’s all. I made sure, after some online and family advice, to ensure I’m clear if things are most of the time - but it’s like it’s been ignored? I have all my life had these issues and it left me in a spin wondering if I said the right thing? Or if I’m somehow lying to myself?

It also says I no longer have medical intervention - this is not true! I have regular reviews with the ADHD team, and also checkups with my GP for mental health, and I’m pretty sure I made that clear? 

The thought of going through all of it again is horrible. He seemed really understanding on the phone - he didn’t ask me to clarify anything which may have made his conclusions more accurate, he just seemed sympathetic. I know it’s probably to reduce my anxiety but it feels awful reading that report and seeing the ‘you said, I decided’ wording against me

My daily living conditions haven’t changed at all since I first applied in 2022, which the tribunal awarded me, and the mobility part hasn’t changed either - I work from home

I know one of the things is ‘if you can motivate yourself to work you can motivate yourself for other things’, and that’s something that’s made me feel guilty for a while, until my ADHD specialist told me hyper focus is very normal in ADHD and it’s true - I get completely absorbed and probably neglect myself even more.

Sorry about you problem here.

Medical intervention is not the same as having regular checkups.

Intervention would be when, say, you had a breakdown & required extra treatment.

Spoonie_Turtle

ayupmeduck said:

vitaminz said:

Thanks all for your comments  

I will definitely explain about occupational therapy for my conditions mainly being in childhood, but what has alarmed me is that it feels looks every word has been twisted to have a different meaning. I said that CBT helped me realise I need an ADHD assessment (my therapist actually pointed this out and convinced me to get assessed), but he has taken this to mean CBT ‘helped’ my conditions mainly being. It helped me get a diagnosis for one part of my problems - but that’s all. I made sure, after some online and family advice, to ensure I’m clear if things are most of the time - but it’s like it’s been ignored? I have all my life had these issues and it left me in a spin wondering if I said the right thing? Or if I’m somehow lying to myself?

It also says I no longer have medical intervention - this is not true! I have regular reviews with the ADHD team, and also checkups with my GP for mental health, and I’m pretty sure I made that clear? 

The thought of going through all of it again is horrible. He seemed really understanding on the phone - he didn’t ask me to clarify anything which may have made his conclusions more accurate, he just seemed sympathetic. I know it’s probably to reduce my anxiety but it feels awful reading that report and seeing the ‘you said, I decided’ wording against me

My daily living conditions haven’t changed at all since I first applied in 2022, which the tribunal awarded me, and the mobility part hasn’t changed either - I work from home

I know one of the things is ‘if you can motivate yourself to work you can motivate yourself for other things’, and that’s something that’s made me feel guilty for a while, until my ADHD specialist told me hyper focus is very normal in ADHD and it’s true - I get completely absorbed and probably neglect myself even more.

Getting an ADHD diagnosis as an adult doesn't change much to be fair. People will have manage education, managed employment, basically manage their life and a diagnosis doesn't change this, not for PIP. 

And yes if you have motivation in one area, it basically means you have motivation in all areas. PIP looks at specialists support, medication changes etc not just the condition. People tend to think if they can cope in one area but not another that will automatically get them PIP. Take engaging for instance...can engage at work, works a customer facing role but can't engage socially...none scoring. Also not being able to leave the house so doesn't engage has no baring on that activity. 

That may be the reasoning assessors default to, but it's not correct and will not stand up when properly examined according to the law.  There's plenty of case law about these kinds of reasonings and why they are not correct in real life. 

What has to be established are the facts of each case, in each person's life, and that's why c.70% of tribunal appeals overturn DWP's initial decisions.

ayupmeduck

vitaminz said:

ayupmeduck said:

vitaminz said:

Thanks all for your comments  

I will definitely explain about occupational therapy for my conditions mainly being in childhood, but what has alarmed me is that it feels looks every word has been twisted to have a different meaning. I said that CBT helped me realise I need an ADHD assessment (my therapist actually pointed this out and convinced me to get assessed), but he has taken this to mean CBT ‘helped’ my conditions mainly being. It helped me get a diagnosis for one part of my problems - but that’s all. I made sure, after some online and family advice, to ensure I’m clear if things are most of the time - but it’s like it’s been ignored? I have all my life had these issues and it left me in a spin wondering if I said the right thing? Or if I’m somehow lying to myself?

It also says I no longer have medical intervention - this is not true! I have regular reviews with the ADHD team, and also checkups with my GP for mental health, and I’m pretty sure I made that clear? 

The thought of going through all of it again is horrible. He seemed really understanding on the phone - he didn’t ask me to clarify anything which may have made his conclusions more accurate, he just seemed sympathetic. I know it’s probably to reduce my anxiety but it feels awful reading that report and seeing the ‘you said, I decided’ wording against me

My daily living conditions haven’t changed at all since I first applied in 2022, which the tribunal awarded me, and the mobility part hasn’t changed either - I work from home

I know one of the things is ‘if you can motivate yourself to work you can motivate yourself for other things’, and that’s something that’s made me feel guilty for a while, until my ADHD specialist told me hyper focus is very normal in ADHD and it’s true - I get completely absorbed and probably neglect myself even more.

Getting an ADHD diagnosis as an adult doesn't change much to be fair. People will have manage education, managed employment, basically manage their life and a diagnosis doesn't change this, not for PIP. 

And yes if you have motivation in one area, it basically means you have motivation in all areas. PIP looks at specialists support, medication changes etc not just the condition. People tend to think if they can cope in one area but not another that will automatically get them PIP. Take engaging for instance...can engage at work, works a customer facing role but can't engage socially...none scoring. Also not being able to leave the house so doesn't engage has no baring on that activity. 

I do understand that - but my role is at home and not customer facing so I don’t see how they equate that I guess 

oh sorry wasn't aiming that at you, just using as an example as many do claim this.