Citroen C5 Hybrid 25 miles on full charge???

WellKnownSid

It is a standard test. The manufacturer makes no claims and is only allowed to publish the results of the test.

Far be it for me to point out that a PHEV with its small battery will be very skewed by any slightly favourable parameters of the test such as the ambient air temperature of 23 degrees which is unobtainable for most of the UK for most of the year.

Mildly_Miffed

Gobsh said:

Citroen C5 Hybrid 25 miles on full charge???

I got Citroen C5 Hybrid, still under warantee. Citroen claim it does from 30-40 miles in a full charge. Most I've had is 29 miles, but average 25 at best. Citroen dealer thought it was funny I should beleive their claims, but surely they can't make fake claims???

They can make no claims except for the official range and economy figures, which are derived from standardised testing. It would be illegal to quote any other figures.

No, they won't necessarily be representative of YOUR driving, any more than the standardised fuel economy figures are. Because all manufacturers use the same testing, the figures should be comparable between cars.

The Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) cycle is what's been used for all new figures since 2019, replacing the 1980s New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) which replaced the old static-speed figures...

flaneurs_lobster

OOh, so wiggly!

I do love a meaningless graph, at least the axes are labelled. 

Gobsh

I worked out that 25 miles for 13 KW electricity at standard rate, it's no cheaper than petrol. Bizarre. So unless you get cheap night rates, it's not worth charging.

paul_c123

Gobsh said:

I worked out that 25 miles for 13 KW electricity at standard rate, it's no cheaper than petrol. Bizarre. So unless you get cheap night rates, it's not worth charging.

I would be amazed if the car achieved less than 2 miles/KW. I would expect more like 3-4.

Where are you getting the 13KW (I suspect actually 13kW) figure from?

matt_drummer

paul_c123 said:

Gobsh said:

I worked out that 25 miles for 13 KW electricity at standard rate, it's no cheaper than petrol. Bizarre. So unless you get cheap night rates, it's not worth charging.

I would be amazed if the car achieved less than 2 miles/KW. I would expect more like 3-4.

Where are you getting the 13KW (I suspect actually 13kW) figure from?

Why? You can't think it would be as efficient as a full bev?

It is a hybrid, it doesn't transmit the power to the wheels in an as efficient a manner as a full bev

As somebody else said, they are the worst of both worlds.

They are a compromise and that means that they don't do anything as well as a full ice or full bev vehicle.

The batteries in hybrids are used far more heavily on a hybrid than a full ev, both in terms of discharge rates (compared to total battery capacity) and battery cycles.

They are a stupid idea.

Just to avoid charging on a longer journey.

Mildly_Miffed

flaneurs_lobster said:

OOh, so wiggly!

I do love a meaningless graph, at least the axes are labelled. 

Hardly a meaningless graph.

It shows you what speed the car is doing at what time for the test to be reproducible.

flaneurs_lobster

Mildly_Miffed said:

flaneurs_lobster said:

OOh, so wiggly!

I do love a meaningless graph, at least the axes are labelled. 

Hardly a meaningless graph.

It shows you what speed the car is doing at what time for the test to be reproducible.

If that's what it is then label it as such please, although I'm not sure if it helps the OP work out why his motor isn't up to spec.

facade

flaneurs_lobster said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

flaneurs_lobster said:

OOh, so wiggly!

I do love a meaningless graph, at least the axes are labelled. 

Hardly a meaningless graph.

It shows you what speed the car is doing at what time for the test to be reproducible.

If that's what it is then label it as such please, although I'm not sure if it helps the OP work out why his motor isn't up to spec.

It would be to spec if he drove it at the exact speeds in the chart, at the exact times in the chart, at 23 degrees Celsius, on a rolling road- which is kind of the point, these things are optimised for laboratory conditions (that are supposed to represent real life usage, but don't), but are the same for all manufacturers so comparisons can be made.

Also they may have done something to start with 100% charge (like a lot of regeneration), but plugging in only gets 80% perhaps?

born_again

Gobsh said:

Driving Styles Shm-iving Shm-yles. Manufacturers are expected to work with a degree of transparency with claims, and won't be allowed to hide it in small print "only off a cliff edge". If their claim says 30-40 that means a reasonable expectation that prudent driving would return at least 30 miles. I'll see what Citroen say.

All ranges are derived from WLTP test (have a search to see how it is done) These are not manufacture tests.

From Kia other manufactures will state the same.

 Driving Range

The range was determined according to the standardised EU measurement procedure (WLTP) on EV3 Air Grade. The individual driving style and other factors, such as speed, outside temperature, topography and the use of electricity-consuming devices/units, have an influence on the real-life range and can possibly reduce it.

This is same measurement used for ICE. Just the same, some get less MPG & a few will get better.