UK CPM Parking Charge Notice received

Jiggerypokery25

Hi all, 

A UK CPM Parking Charge Notice has been received. The car was never left and apparently the driver was sat talking to a friend who lives in that particular housing estate before dropping them off.

I've read the newbie thread. My question is.. Is this worth challenging or does the driver have no case to appeal / challenge?

Apologies if I've missed something. 

Gr1pr

Depends on what you mean by worth challenging

There are legal arguments that can be used in civil court,  but UKCPM are not going to cancel it if the keeper appeals , neither will the IAS ( unregulated industry at the moment   )

There are definite driver defence points if they wish to fight a court claim 

Jiggerypokery25

What would be the driver defence points?

I vaguely understand the whole process of appealing, complaining to the land owner, ignoring debt collecting letters and then responding to a county court claim. If the case got to court, what would be the defence points?

Again apologies if I've missed something. Thank you. 

Gr1pr

Stopping is not parking 

Stopping to unload a passenger ( or to pick one up  ) is not parking 

Plus the Homeguard versus Jopson appeal case too

Jiggerypokery25

Thank you for your response. 

The car was stopped for 57 minutes whilst talking and dropping off a friend, does that matter?

Looking at the Jopson case she was unloading furniture from her car. 

Gr1pr

Of course it could matter, timescales can be crucial and it's hard to explain away 57 minutes as a dropoff, whereas 5 or 10 minutes is more acceptable 

Jiggerypokery25

Ok seems to be pointless fighting them then? The driver might aswell pay the £60. 

Car1980

No, don't be paying. For starters, what does the contract say? That's the alleged agreement and plenty are faulty.

A traffic jam can lost a lot longer than 57 minutes. See https://contestorlegal.co.uk/unparalleled-legal-victory-defining-the-true-meaning-of-parking/

And you imply the driver and RK are different. What does the PCN look like?

The fairest arbiter is county court, where this may end up. But there are two of you, so at least you'd have a mate to go with.

Jiggerypokery25

Car1980 said:

No, don't be paying. For starters, what does the contract say? That's the alleged agreement and plenty are faulty.

A traffic jam can lost a lot longer than 57 minutes. See 

And you imply the driver and RK are different. What does the PCN look like?

The fairest arbiter is county court, where this may end up. But there are two of you, so at least you'd have a mate to go with.

Thank you for your response. 

I'm just stating 'the driver', I'm not implying anything.

There wasn't traffic, it was inside a housing estate. 

Unfortunately the passenger accompanying was briefly in the country hence why a long chat persued after being dropped off. So is highly unlikely to also attend court. 

The PCN reads as follows:


Dear xxxxx

Payment for the Parking Charge xxxxx is due. Please pay the reduced charge of £60.00 now.

Payment options found overleaf

We have isued Parking Charge xxxxx to your vehicle because on the xxxx 2025 at xx:xx it was parked on private land in breach the terms and conditions of parking at xxxxx making the driver liable for a Parking Charge. As the PCN has not been paid in full the Parking Charge remains outstanding.
The reason we issued the Parking Charge to the vehicle is as folows: Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR). The signage, which is clearly displayed throughout the area, states the land is private and that parking conditions apply. By parking on site the driver is bound by these terms and conditions and liable to pay a charge if they are not adhered to. The signage also confirms that the area is managed by UK Car Park Management (CPM).

We, the Creditor, now require this amount to be paid using one of the payment methods described overleaf. If you were not the driver of the vehicle, you should notify us in writing (see reverse for details) of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver. You should also pass this notice on to the driver.
A discounted charge of £60.00 applies if this Parking Charge Notice is paid within 14 days from the lssued Date, If you choose not to pay at this amount, the fll value of £100.00 wil be due. The Registered Keeper details Of this yehicle have been requested from the DVLA through the reasonable cause criteria of pursuing an outstanding Parking Charge
You are advised that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which this notice is given - the amount of the unpaid parking charge specified in this notice has not been paid in fll, and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, under paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 we will have the right to recover from the keeper SO much of that parking charge amount as remains unpaid. If we are required to take further action to recover this Parking Charge the amount due may increase to up to £170.00



Thank you.

Coupon-mad

Ignore it.  Tell them if you move house. That is all. Come back if you get a small claim.

Jiggerypokery25

Coupon-mad said:

Ignore it.  Tell them if you move house. That is all. Come back if you get a small claim.

Thank you coupon-mad. Understood. If it does get to a small claim though is there a defence to get out of this fine. Just don't want to be in a position that if it does get to a small claims court could be a couple hundred quid instead of £60.