New passport rules

michael1234

GlitterMedusa said:

michael1234 said:

TheShape said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

Sounds like a spectacularly stupid idea that would result in no benefit (and likely disadvantage) to the UK and it's citizens.

Does that mean you think the EU's EES/EITAS idea is also spectacularly stupid ?

You do realise that the UK already charges for an ETA for visitors? Cost is £16 for 2 years (ETIAS will be 3 years), and doesn't have any age exemptions unlike the ETIAS.

When the UK was in the EU, it was one of the countries pushing for more border controls, the result of which is EES. But of course with Brexit, the country is now at the receiving end of policies it helped shape in the first place. With EES, once you're registered, it will be much faster on subsequent visits for 3 years since the passport won't need to be stamped.

The UK also decided to let passport holders from other countries like the US,  Canada, Australia, Japan, etc use the E-gates - I'm not aware of those countries making it particularly quick for UK passport holders in return

Quite right about ETA. In that case, the requirements might better be softened on both sides. They probably won't as its not a priority of a government who swan around on diplomatic passports.

As for US, Canada etc, see above. Making people's lives easier is sadly not a priority.

NoodleDoodleMan

michael1234 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

UK citizens entering Schengen Area countries are rightly treated the same as any other non EU citizens thanks to the lunacy of Brexit.

Brits are not being singled out for special treatment by our European neighbours due to leaving the EU in 2020 - we are now just another non EU country for travel purposes.

As we are guests in their countries they are absolutely entitled to impose reasonable laws to regulate potential illegal immigration, such as people entering without intention of returning home, no confirmed accommodation, insufficient funds to support their stay, or lacking medical insurance. 

I have no problem with EES and EITAS - especially as I'll be exempt the latter fee !!! 

Yes, that's true they do have every right to treat their neighbours the same as countries thousands of miles away. It'll probably change as they move even closer to being a single nation - more likely then to consider closer countries as friends.

We stopped being neighbours with Brexit, had that lunacy not been enacted then this EES/EITAS scenario would be academic for us.

As for waiting for EU/Schengen Area countries to move into a single nation - we are a long way from 1st April stuff. 

michael1234

NoodleDoodleMan said:

michael1234 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

UK citizens entering Schengen Area countries are rightly treated the same as any other non EU citizens thanks to the lunacy of Brexit.

Brits are not being singled out for special treatment by our European neighbours due to leaving the EU in 2020 - we are now just another non EU country for travel purposes.

As we are guests in their countries they are absolutely entitled to impose reasonable laws to regulate potential illegal immigration, such as people entering without intention of returning home, no confirmed accommodation, insufficient funds to support their stay, or lacking medical insurance. 

I have no problem with EES and EITAS - especially as I'll be exempt the latter fee !!! 

Yes, that's true they do have every right to treat their neighbours the same as countries thousands of miles away. It'll probably change as they move even closer to being a single nation - more likely then to consider closer countries as friends.

We stopped being neighbours with Brexit, had that lunacy not been enacted then this EES/EITAS scenario would be academic for us.

As for waiting for EU/Schengen Area countries to move into a single nation - we are a long way from 1st April stuff. 

Yes they are a bit laughable aren't they, but to continue this _geographical_ discussion, may I suggest that the continent of Europe being a single nation makes it far more likely that we become a neighbour of it as opposed to being a part of it.

NoodleDoodleMan

The continent of Europe being a single nation is Flat Earth Society propoganda !!!

michael1234

NoodleDoodleMan said:

The continent of Europe being a single nation is Flat Earth Society propoganda !!!

I do think it would make governance even harder but it does seem to be the way its going and presumably its the reason that geography now excludes the UK. Have a look here for more detail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalisation_of_the_European_Union

Altior

NoodleDoodleMan said:

michael1234 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

UK citizens entering Schengen Area countries are rightly treated the same as any other non EU citizens thanks to the lunacy of Brexit.

Brits are not being singled out for special treatment by our European neighbours due to leaving the EU in 2020 - we are now just another non EU country for travel purposes.

As we are guests in their countries they are absolutely entitled to impose reasonable laws to regulate potential illegal immigration, such as people entering without intention of returning home, no confirmed accommodation, insufficient funds to support their stay, or lacking medical insurance. 

I have no problem with EES and EITAS - especially as I'll be exempt the latter fee !!! 

Yes, that's true they do have every right to treat their neighbours the same as countries thousands of miles away. It'll probably change as they move even closer to being a single nation - more likely then to consider closer countries as friends.

We stopped being neighbours with Brexit, had that lunacy not been enacted then this EES/EITAS scenario would be academic for us.

As for waiting for EU/Schengen Area countries to move into a single nation - we are a long way from 1st April stuff. 

Some people would say Schengen is lunacy. But political debate on the forum is discouraged. 

NoodleDoodleMan

"Some people would say Schengen is lunacy. But political debate on the forum is discouraged." 

Indeed.

I won't have an opinion either way once my Irish passport comes through.

jimi_man

NoodleDoodleMan said:

jimi_man said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

I'm in the process of applying for Republic of Ireland citizenship to obtain an Irish passport through the so called grandparent(s) legacy rights,

Unfortunately 'er indoors is not eligible, so it remains to be seen if that'll help us when travelling into Schengen airports.

Of course if the soon to be EES/EITAS rollout significanly speeds immigration for UK passports holders it might be a pointless exercise !!!

Now, if only UK Border Force could speed up return procedures at British airports.................  

Entry through the UK border is probably one of the quickest and easiest to get through in the world. Particularly with a UK passport, but also with EU/US/any other eGate eligible country. The UK has more eGates than anywhere else and we offer them to more nationalities than anywhere else. Even when it's busy there is never usually more than a couple of minutes queue. 

Certainly not at Glasgow or Edinburgh, as I know from recent experience.

Maybe at Heathrow or the larger UK airports ?

Entering at GLA or EDI is a relatively long process - I suspect similar at other regional airports.

Not a huge difference between them tbh. LHR and EDI are around the same on average, GLA a touch slower. I suspect you have had the odd unlucky experience. But it's fairly well recognised that the UK is one of the most user friendly borders and the swiftest for the largest number of people. The eGate system works very well and as I said, we have more than most other countries.

Having said that I went through Ibiza a couple of weeks ago and that was an eGate experience, no human interaction. Mallorca a week or so later was an eGate then a stamp but all the machines were there and ready to be used. 

NoodleDoodleMan

Whenever we come back through GLA or EDI the eGates are either not in use or misbehaving, so it's border control Mark I in operation.

la531983

Manchester T2 this year has been a breeze, lovely new arrivals hall, and absolutely no queue to use the numerous Egates. Very different from my T1 experiences.