New passport rules

NoodleDoodleMan

silvercar said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

I'm in the process of applying for Republic of Ireland citizenship to obtain an Irish passport through the so called grandparent(s) legacy rights,

Unfortunately 'er indoors is not eligible, so it remains to be seen if that'll help us when travelling into Schengen airports.

Of course if the soon to be EES/EITAS rollout significanly speeds immigration for UK passports holders it might be a pointless exercise !!!

Now, if only UK Border Force could speed up return procedures at British airports.................  

‘If ‘‘er indoors’ is your spouse, they have the right to accompany you when entering a third country, so can use the EU passport only’ aisles at passport control etc. 

Thanks, I wasn't clear on that.

In due course, if the new scanner procedures work smoothly there may be no significant advantage in having an EU passport to enter Schengen Area.

That remains to be seen.

jimi_man

NoodleDoodleMan said:

I'm in the process of applying for Republic of Ireland citizenship to obtain an Irish passport through the so called grandparent(s) legacy rights,

Unfortunately 'er indoors is not eligible, so it remains to be seen if that'll help us when travelling into Schengen airports.

Of course if the soon to be EES/EITAS rollout significanly speeds immigration for UK passports holders it might be a pointless exercise !!!

Now, if only UK Border Force could speed up return procedures at British airports.................  

Entry through the UK border is probably one of the quickest and easiest to get through in the world. Particularly with a UK passport, but also with EU/US/any other eGate eligible country. The UK has more eGates than anywhere else and we offer them to more nationalities than anywhere else. Even when it's busy there is never usually more than a couple of minutes queue. 

jimi_man

NoodleDoodleMan said:

silvercar said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

I'm in the process of applying for Republic of Ireland citizenship to obtain an Irish passport through the so called grandparent(s) legacy rights,

Unfortunately 'er indoors is not eligible, so it remains to be seen if that'll help us when travelling into Schengen airports.

Of course if the soon to be EES/EITAS rollout significanly speeds immigration for UK passports holders it might be a pointless exercise !!!

Now, if only UK Border Force could speed up return procedures at British airports.................  

‘If ‘‘er indoors’ is your spouse, they have the right to accompany you when entering a third country, so can use the EU passport only’ aisles at passport control etc. 

Thanks, I wasn't clear on that.

In due course, if the new scanner procedures work smoothly there may be no significant advantage in having an EU passport to enter Schengen Area.

That remains to be seen.

I'm just about to start doing the same thing, again through grandparent rights. For me it means I can do longer than 90 days which will be a bonus. If the EU changed that and made it 180 then I wouldn't bother. 

michael1234

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

TheShape

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

Sounds like a spectacularly stupid idea that would result in no benefit (and likely disadvantage) to the UK and it's citizens.

michael1234

TheShape said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

Sounds like a spectacularly stupid idea that would result in no benefit (and likely disadvantage) to the UK and it's citizens.

Does that mean you think the EU's EES/EITAS idea is also spectacularly stupid ?

GlitterMedusa

michael1234 said:

TheShape said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

Sounds like a spectacularly stupid idea that would result in no benefit (and likely disadvantage) to the UK and it's citizens.

Does that mean you think the EU's EES/EITAS idea is also spectacularly stupid ?

You do realise that the UK already charges for an ETA for visitors? Cost is £16 for 2 years (ETIAS will be 3 years), and doesn't have any age exemptions unlike the ETIAS.

When the UK was in the EU, it was one of the countries pushing for more border controls, the result of which is EES. But of course with Brexit, the country is now at the receiving end of policies it helped shape in the first place. With EES, once you're registered, it will be much faster on subsequent visits for 3 years since the passport won't need to be stamped.

The UK also decided to let passport holders from other countries like the US,  Canada, Australia, Japan, etc use the E-gates - I'm not aware of those countries making it particularly quick for UK passport holders in return

NoodleDoodleMan

jimi_man said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

I'm in the process of applying for Republic of Ireland citizenship to obtain an Irish passport through the so called grandparent(s) legacy rights,

Unfortunately 'er indoors is not eligible, so it remains to be seen if that'll help us when travelling into Schengen airports.

Of course if the soon to be EES/EITAS rollout significanly speeds immigration for UK passports holders it might be a pointless exercise !!!

Now, if only UK Border Force could speed up return procedures at British airports.................  

Entry through the UK border is probably one of the quickest and easiest to get through in the world. Particularly with a UK passport, but also with EU/US/any other eGate eligible country. The UK has more eGates than anywhere else and we offer them to more nationalities than anywhere else. Even when it's busy there is never usually more than a couple of minutes queue. 

Certainly not at Glasgow or Edinburgh, as I know from recent experience.

Maybe at Heathrow or the larger UK airports ?

Entering at GLA or EDI is a relatively long process - I suspect similar at other regional airports.

NoodleDoodleMan

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

UK citizens entering Schengen Area countries are rightly treated the same as any other non EU citizens thanks to the lunacy of Brexit.

Brits are not being singled out for special treatment by our European neighbours due to leaving the EU in 2020 - we are now just another non EU country for travel purposes.

As we are guests in their countries they are absolutely entitled to impose reasonable laws to regulate potential illegal immigration, such as people entering without intention of returning home, no confirmed accommodation, insufficient funds to support their stay, or lacking medical insurance. 

I have no problem with EES and EITAS - especially as I'll be exempt the latter fee !!! 

michael1234

NoodleDoodleMan said:

michael1234 said:

I wish we in the UK also made it slow going for EU passengers arriving here. Not out of spite but to use as part of a leverage strategy.

UK citizens entering Schengen Area countries are rightly treated the same as any other non EU citizens thanks to the lunacy of Brexit.

Brits are not being singled out for special treatment by our European neighbours due to leaving the EU in 2020 - we are now just another non EU country for travel purposes.

As we are guests in their countries they are absolutely entitled to impose reasonable laws to regulate potential illegal immigration, such as people entering without intention of returning home, no confirmed accommodation, insufficient funds to support their stay, or lacking medical insurance. 

I have no problem with EES and EITAS - especially as I'll be exempt the latter fee !!! 

Yes, that's true they do have every right to treat their neighbours the same as countries thousands of miles away. It'll probably change as they move even closer to being a single nation - more likely then to consider closer countries as friends.