Plans for all major energy suppliers to offer at least one low Standing Charge tariff from Jan 2026

WibbleBaaaaaa

EssexHebridean said:

WibbleBaaaaaa said:

Scot_39 said:

WibbleBaaaaaa said:

Standing charge should be based on size of property and usage, so if you are sitting in a 4 bedroom semi with gas and lekky running through the building then you should be paying for all that in a higher standing charge, while those sitting in say a 1 bedroom flat with just lekky should be the lowest standing charge.......but at present the whole system is so broken that those sitting in a 1 bedroom flat can be paying some of the highest standing charges just for lekky, and this needs to be fixed because usually it is the poor that are the ones sitting in the 1 bedroom freezing through the winter months.......it's wrong at every level and i do not understand why it has been allowed to continue in this manner.

So the one pays the gas c£130 and the electric c£200 - and the person in the flat pays just the electric c£200

You missed the point totally, which around here is no surprise, so again for the crowd in the balcany, it does not matter if you have only lekky or gas, or both, what matters is that larger properties should be paying a bigger standing charge period for their lekky or gas sc because their larger property requires more piping and cabling, so as i said, the 4 bedroom house should NOT have a lower lekky standing charge than the 1 bedroom flat lekky standing charge, no matter where it is in the UK, the smaller properties should always cost less in lekky or gas standing charge than the bigger properties.

So that 4 bedroom house should in fact be paying at least 70p sc and upwards for their lekky, and the 1 bedroom should be paying 20p sc or less for their lekky, no matter where they are in the UK.........job done, people pay what they actually should be paying for their bigger properties and the materials it uses to transmit lekky and gas around said bigger properties, rather than at present where people sitting in small properties are paying more in lekky sc than people who live in largers properties, and all because of locations, and that is just wrong as the smaller properties with higher SC are basically funding the lower charges for bigger homes......and that is wrong on every level, and this is what Ofgem needs to change, lekky and gas standing charges based on property size, and not location.

BIB - whatever makes you think that - my gas supply to my old flat was fed with exactly the same size pipe to he same sized meter as my far larger house. Meanwhile on the electric side, the incoming cable was the same size as current, as was the meter, in real terms. The main fuse however had a greater capacity at the flat because the flat had electric heating. 

Standing charge should absolutely not be related to property size, and making it so would leave a lot of folk who could ill afford it in a far worse position currently. property size is irrelevant to the infrastructure in almost all cases.

I'm afraid your lengthy and repeated argument is based entirely on a misunderstanding of the facts. 

On the flip side, the flat did have two balconies in spite of being ground floor - one large enough to fit a small crowd, at least. 

And this is why we are all in this state, we are funding people who made bad decisions about debut and lifestyles the could ill afford, so now everyone else is supposed to take up the slack for their inability to live within their means, so if one cannot afford to buy and run a large property, then one should NOT have bought said property, it is simply maths, you can't afford it then do not take it on, and most certainly do not then roam the halls weeping about about how one cannot afford it, so everyone else should sholder the burden of their bad decisions.

Sc can be fixed tomorrow with ease, either charge on property size, you can afford a big home, then you obviuoly got the money to pay for all that brings with it, or make the SC a blanket cost across the whole UK, no percentage of people due to location lottery should be getting a specific lower lekky sc that can be almost half the price of others in the country, this needs to stop and the SC made a blanek cost across the whole UK, and that is the fair way to do it and will actually bring down the majority of the countries present SC.

Job done, no need to thank me.

molerat

Yep, agreed,  the state we are in is because of people making bad decisions about debt and lifestyles they could ill afford.  The big problem is that it is not the people / demographic you are pointing at that have made those bad decisions.

Scot_39

The govt is extending the £150 WHD to 2.7m more households on benefits.

Benerfits that in the UK are largeley indexed by inflation.

Its a shame the govt cannot bear in mind the 2% inflation target when adding in another £17 / 9% - to make £58 / 37% in the last 18 months on policy costs.

Or when adding £24/6% to network costs - £15 attrbuted to reneawables / balancing costs.

So DF DD ave cap £35 up despite £15 wholesale savings ex VAT - the missing £51 difference largely due to policy and net zero costs.

2% DF in one quarter - 3% if wholesale constant

3% PC2 all electric in one qaurter - 4% if wholesale constant.

So just who is it that is making the bad choices ?

The poor on benefits not keeping pace with govt imposed costs - or the govt(s) imposing them.