Euro Parking Service PCN for parking at SA Carpet and Flooring

Stanst

Location: SA Carpet and Flooring, 78 Oldbury Road, B65 0JS

Date/Time: 09/09/25 @ 4.54PM

Duration: 2min 25sec.

Date of Issue of Notice: 12/09/25 (received through post on 19/09/25)

I have read the newbie thread and a few others, just need some advice before copying text to the appeals portal.

My son got a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Parking Services whilst picking up an item from a nearby shop (Blackheath, West Mids).  He was only there for 2min 25 seconds.  He's parked there in the past with no issue, this must have been a recent change.

Here is the letter received and signage photos from the site:



I've carried out plan A with a Not very helpful response.  Spoke the manager of the store who advised me to use the appeals process.. would not budge and gave no alternative.  Guess it will have to be Plan B.

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Re PCN number:  XXXXXXXX

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

NTK Name (will fill these in on the appeal)

NTK Address (will fill these in on the appeal)

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Is there normally an allowed grace time as my son was only there for 2min 25second?

Is the above OK for Plan B?

What are the chances of them cancelling at this appeal stage (from what I've read IAS is useless)?

Coupon-mad

No chance of cancellation at appeal but give it a whirl if you want.

Next time, tell the driver:

When picking up items from shops you are allowed to stop on single or double yellow lines on-street. As long as there are no kerb blips, yellow lines are there for this exact purpose.

Avoid coming off street, always always!

Stanst

Coupon-mad said:

No chance of cancellation at appeal but give it a whirl if you want.

Next time, tell the driver:

When picking up items from shops you are allowed to stop on single or double yellow lines on-street. As long as there are no kerb blips, yellow lines are there for this exact purpose.

Avoid coming off street, always always!

OK, so it's all the way to court or pay the fine?
Does appealing give 14days longer to pay the reduced amount if I decide to?

Umkomaas

Stanst said:

Coupon-mad said:

No chance of cancellation at appeal but give it a whirl if you want.

Next time, tell the driver:

When picking up items from shops you are allowed to stop on single or double yellow lines on-street. As long as there are no kerb blips, yellow lines are there for this exact purpose.

Avoid coming off street, always always!

OK, so it's all the way to court or pay the fine?
Does appealing give 14days longer to pay the reduced amount if I decide to?

1. It will only get as far as a court claim if EPS decide to make a claim, so it's not an either/or.  And, .... it's not a 'fine'. No private company can fine anyone. This is quite different to real fines. It's an invoice asking you for your money!

2. Appealing to EPS within the 28 day period should preserve the 'bribe'. Don't see that as a 'bargain', it's an attempt on your money!

In whose name is the above letter written?  You mention your son above, so can we have some clarification on that please. 

Stanst

1.   OK, good to know.  Based on the info given, and past record, I know it will be a guesstimate, are EPS likely to run with this one to court stage?

2. Makes sense.

NTK Letter is in my name, it was my son driving.

Umkomaas

Stanst said:

1.   OK, good to know.  Based on the info given, and past record, I know it will be a guesstimate, are EPS likely to run with this one to court stage?

2. Makes sense.

NTK Letter is in my name, it was my son driving.

EPS are not in the front line of private parking serial litigators, but (from memory) we have seen a few of their cases.  I don't really recall them being particularly successful. 

If they did decide to pursue you to court, I'm not sure there's going to be many judges giving much truck to a three figure claim for a 2-minute parking event, snooped on by a covert CCTV camera. Look up the term 'de minimis'

Coupon-mad

You'll never pay, so put that from your mind. You must tell them if you move house.

Stanst

Coupon-mad said:

You'll never pay, so put that from your mind. You must tell them if you move house.

Good to know, (newbie question alert) does it get to the stage where you have to physically attend court?

Coupon-mad

It can do, unless you use Contestor Legal to apply to strike the claim out instead.

Stanst

Coupon-mad said:

It can do, unless you use Contestor Legal to apply to strike the claim out instead.

OK, thanks for the info.  This is the appeal I'm putting in, is it OK?

Re PCN number: [PCN Number] 

I dispute your 'parking charge' as the keeper of the vehicle, registration [Vehicle Registration Number]. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner. 

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close-up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, as well as your images of the vehicle. 

My appeal is based on the following cumulative points:

• No Contract Formed & Grace Period: The vehicle was on-site for only 2 minutes and 25 seconds, entering at 16:52:34 and exiting at 16:54:59 on 09/09/2025. This extremely brief duration is well within the reasonable "entry grace period" required by the IPC Code of Practice for reading signage and deciding whether to park. No contract could have been formed.
• No Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss: A £100 charge for a stay of under three minutes is punitive and cannot represent a genuine pre-estimate of any commercial loss. It is therefore unenforceable.
• Failure to Establish Keeper Liability (PoFA 2012): Your Notice to Keeper does not reference the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, nor does it contain the mandatory statutory wording required to pursue me as the Registered Keeper. You have failed to establish keeper liability. 

I look forward to the cancellation of this notice. If you reject this appeal, I reserve all my rights. 

NTK Name (will fill these in on the appeal)

NTK Address (will fill these in on the appeal)

Coupon-mad

No that's hopeless. Was that from AI? Genuine pre-estimate of loss was killed ten years ago in parking cases!

Bin  those extra points. This is why we have a template appeal, to stop people using chat gpt & other such uninformed bot rubbish...

NTK Letter is in my name, it was my son driving.

Decide now whether you want to transfer liability to him or appeal it as keeper.