Free parking for 2 hours PCN

brigbif

Ralph-y said:

for clarity the managing agents can normally be found listed at the bottom of any totems / advertising plinths at / in the retail park  ( a list of all the companies on the park) What is the name of the retail park?

Hiya Ralph-y, apparently I don’t have eyes!! Gallagher Retail Park in Dundee is where this took place. I’ve scoured this page and can see a few mentions, but no definitive conclusion as to who the land owners are.

Gr1pr

As its Dundee,  Scotland,  if you have not revealed who was driving to the parking company,  ignore the pcn 

By all means complain about it to the landlord or landowner of that retail park,  but no appealing to the parking company 

So plan A,  tick, but not the rest of the appeal scenarios 

Do not mention or infer who was driving,  not to anyone  !

The Royal WE , or Scottish "wee" is sufficient in these cases,  your complaint is as keeper,  as an occupant of the vehicle ( the details of who was driving are never divulged   )

And remember,  DO NOT APPEAL 

Capiche  ?

Try Google search for starters

https://news.completelyretail.co.uk/dundee-retail-park-handed-27-1m-price-tag/

As its up for sale,  I dont believe that it is council land

Google AI says this

The managing agent for Gallagher Retail Park in Dundee is Coates & Co.
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You can find more information on their website, coatesandco.net. 

James_Poisson

brigbif said:

Just to confirm:

The PCN say observation time 12:32 and issue time 12:47. We returned to the car and printed the ticket at exactly 13:30.
as the ticket was printed within the 2 hours, the parking period was covered?

No you are misinterpreting the way it works, you get the ticket when you arrive, the way you did it the 2 hours would run out at 15:30 if people did that as in this case you would be getting an extra hours free parking.
But as stated if you haven't divulged who the driver is as you are in Scotland they are stuffed anyway.

brigbif

Gr1pr said:

As its Dundee,  Scotland,  if you have not revealed who was driving to the parking company,  ignore the pcn 

By all means complain about it to the landlord or landowner of that retail park,  but no appealing to the parking company 

So plan A,  tick, but not the rest of the appeal scenarios 

Do not mention or infer who was driving,  not to anyone  !

The Royal WE , or Scottish "wee" is sufficient in these cases,  your complaint is as keeper,  as an occupant of the vehicle ( the details of who was driving are never divulged   )

And remember,  DO NOT APPEAL 

Capiche  ?

Try Google search for starters

https://news.completelyretail.co.uk/dundee-retail-park-handed-27-1m-price-tag/

As its up for sale,  I dont believe that it is council land

Google AI says this

The managing agent for Gallagher Retail Park in Dundee is Coates & Co.
.
You can find more information on their website, coatesandco.net. 

Excellent. Yesterday after I posted I emailed the two employees mentioned in the coatesandco page which advertised one of the vacant lots to a retailer and am awaiting their response.

I have not revealed who was driving to anyone, just that it was my father’s car (don’t know why I did that). I will use ‘we’ going forward!

I am a bit more nervous this time around as it is my dad’s vehicle and I’m conscious of him getting letters through the door. I ignored my last ECP round of letter etc from an ANPR camera and it escalated to debt collections - though you lovely people and the template letters helped get them off my back! 

So your advice going forward: ‘we’ ONLY as to not identify the driver of the vehicle and do not appeal?
thanks for all of your assistance

brigbif

James_Poisson said:

brigbif said:

Just to confirm:

The PCN say observation time 12:32 and issue time 12:47. We returned to the car and printed the ticket at exactly 13:30.
as the ticket was printed within the 2 hours, the parking period was covered?

No you are misinterpreting the way it works, you get the ticket when you arrive, the way you did it the 2 hours would run out at 15:30 if people did that as in this case you would be getting an extra hours free parking.
But as stated if you haven't divulged who the driver is as you are in Scotland they are stuffed anyway.

Hiya James! Got my head up my backside it looks like!

thanks for this

Coupon-mad

Your father (registered keeper) is the only one who should be complaining to the retail park.

There will be contact details at the entrance.

Gr1pr

Things will change next year,  if and when the mhclg bring in a mandatory code of practice for the 3 nations,  in which case the advice for Scotland will change too

But until then,  ignore the powerless debt collectors letters,  like before,  and ignore this pcn if Coates or a landlord doesn't cancel it 

Yes the RK may receive letters,  but no need to take any notice of them, unless it was a court letter or sheriff letter,  which wont happen for a single pcn in Scotland,  due to the simple procedure rules for claims in Scotland 

Currently,  any person in Scotland who is a Registered Keeper has no legal liability,  so as the RK wasn't driving,  and won't be telling ECP who was driving,  he is safe  ( plus it's under the £300 threshold   )

Ideally you should have mentioned Scotland and the location in your opening post, so we don't go down rabbit holes 

But take note, this time next year things may have changed,  or could be in a year or four  !

James_Poisson

brigbif said:

I am a bit more nervous this time around as it is my dad’s vehicle and I’m conscious of him getting letters through the door. I ignored my last ECP round of letter etc from an ANPR camera and it escalated to debt collections - though you lovely people and the template letters helped get them off my back! 

That is not an escalation it's just a few letters from a bunch of clowns  

Coupon-mad

Why doesn't he give your address as his new address for service, then?

brigbif

Coupon-mad said:

Why doesn't he give your address as his new address for service, then?

I hadn’t considered that, thank you!
I will check tomorrow to see who the actual landowner is (if it is present on the signage), otherwise I will await replies from those who I have emailed. Turns out it does not belong to RYDEN - will see if council reply. 

After that I’ll take it from there following the advice you have all generously given