Wet timing belts

Bigphil1474

MY 18 plate Peugeot 2008 had it's wetbelt changed at the 6 year service - cost about £600 more than the full service. I had an oil pressure fault warning come up last year and this year, but fortunately it wasn't the belt , just low oil level. I do have the Peugeot warranty so the dealer was confident it would be covered had it been that.

It might be the oil. Peugeot insist that the 0w30 they put in is the right oil, although the local garage i use for non-service stuff says 5w30 is correct, and Peugeot don't know what they are talking about. The Internet agrees with the local garage. I'm not sure of the difference but I suspect Peugeot use the 0w30 because of the wet belt issue. I was under the impression that the newer belts had stopped the issue of delamination, but I guess that's not the case.

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Bigphil1474 said:

I had an oil pressure fault warning come up last year and this year, but fortunately it wasn't the belt , just low oil level. I do have the Peugeot warranty so the dealer was confident it would be covered had it been that. 

Get rid PDQ.

The purecrap is well known (by everyone except owners) for burning oil, so they are frequently run out of oil, and only topped up when there isn't enough left to maintain oil pressure #(the light comes on)

This does not do the engine internals any good, and warranty will not cover any damage caused by running out of oil.

You need to top up the oil in a purecrap about every 500 miles- expect to put in about half a litre.

John-E_2

To be honest, buying a car is always a lottery. The service history can be misleading. A Stamp in the book is not showing what’s been done. You need to assess the detail before committing yourself to buy a car with “A full service History” that’s only a series of yearly stamps.
you need to be able to understand that the following has been done:

Oil And Filter Changes
Coolant Changes 
Brake fluid changes
Air and Pollen Filter changes 
Air Conditioning Service completed 
Wet Belt or “Timing Belt” as not all are wet and still need  attending too.

I attended a car sales room last month with a friend looking at an older Audi. Full Service History was plastered over the windscreen.
On asking to see the service book. All Services were stamped No Timing Belt had been noted. When I asked the Salesman said “It has a full service history, the book is stamped” The belt, coolant and brake fluid had not been changed in 67000 miles. We walked away.


I have a motor with a “wet Belt” it’s changed well before the specific intervals 50k (if any are stated at all) As has been mentioned Oil change intervals being Exceeded is a major issue.
However if your car only does short journeys (75% of journeys) or is driven very hard then the oil change intervals should be reduced.
My diesel car allegedly will do a minimum of 10K between oil changes I change mine at 7k. Coolant every 2 years, Brake fluid every 2 years. Air con service every 2 years Air and pollen filters every 2 years.

Any less is a false economy if you intend on keeping a car for any length of time. Dealers Service is expensive and after the warranty best to use a honest reliable garage with all the equipment to service your vehicle.

Non of this is easy to read and can be expensive. However, it’s a preplanned expense rather than a sudden bill you can’t afford 

flaneurs_lobster

Forgive my utter lack of car smarts, does my 2015 diesel 2008 have this wet belt problem? I'd like to think that the guy in the railway arch I've used for servicing for years would have mentioned it if it was so. 

Googling is not being helpful. 

Altior

On the Pug 2008 it's the 1.2 PureTech petrol engine. So you should be ok on that score. 

Bigphil1474

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Bigphil1474 said:

I had an oil pressure fault warning come up last year and this year, but fortunately it wasn't the belt , just low oil level. I do have the Peugeot warranty so the dealer was confident it would be covered had it been that. 

Get rid PDQ.

The purecrap is well known (by everyone except owners) for burning oil, so they are frequently run out of oil, and only topped up when there isn't enough left to maintain oil pressure #(the light comes on)

This does not do the engine internals any good, and warranty will not cover any damage caused by running out of oil.

You need to top up the oil in a purecrap about every 500 miles- expect to put in about half a litre.

No need to get rid. I'm monitoring the oil weekly now, and topping up about half a litre a month. I only do about 6k miles a year these days anyway. The car is performing spot on other than that minor issue.

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Bigphil1474 said:

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Bigphil1474 said:

I had an oil pressure fault warning come up last year and this year, but fortunately it wasn't the belt , just low oil level. I do have the Peugeot warranty so the dealer was confident it would be covered had it been that. 

Get rid PDQ.

The purecrap is well known (by everyone except owners) for burning oil, so they are frequently run out of oil, and only topped up when there isn't enough left to maintain oil pressure #(the light comes on)

This does not do the engine internals any good, and warranty will not cover any damage caused by running out of oil.

You need to top up the oil in a purecrap about every 500 miles- expect to put in about half a litre.

No need to get rid. I'm monitoring the oil weekly now, and topping up about half a litre a month. I only do about 6k miles a year these days anyway. The car is performing spot on other than that minor issue.

Running it out of oil twice (in your ownership- the previous owners could have done it dozens of times) will have accelerated engine wear.

You may be lucky and it won't show up for many years yet, you might not...

The oil consumption is pretty average though, 1000 miles per litre. The problem is the sump capacity is so tiny it soon empties if you don't keep topping it up, and if you haven't driven a big oil burner like a BMW mini before, you don't expect to have to top up a car that doesn't have a huge pool of oil leaking out underneath between services, so they are often run until the oil pressure fails, then driven in limp mode to Halfords to buy some oil...... 

Bigphil1474

I've had the car around 5 years, and the first 4 years it didn't run out of oil between services and I was doing more miles back then, so I'm not sure a litre every 1,000 miles is average (for this model car). The previous owners only had it 2 years from new, so unlikely. It has around 3.5 litre capacity for oil, so by that reckoning even a low mileage driver would be refilling every 6 months which is bonkers. Just to say, my car didn't go into limp mode either time.

rca779

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