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Parking charge from APOCA at eastmidlands

Hi there all thanks in advance,

I dropped some family members off at EMA on 28/09 and completely forgot to pay the charge, due to them removing the barriers and then having a busy 48 hours afterwards. I completely forgot to pay online. After the "midnight the day after" limit had expired, there is no way to pay the £5 

Now I have the lovely letter from them showing the front and rear of my car and demanding £60 within 28 days

I have seen the advice to use the blue text from the newbie thread, but I have also seen people using the following example for certain other airports and wanted to check to see which one is best.

All I have done is change East Midlands from Manchester. 

APCOA cannot hold me, the registered keeper, liable for any alleged contravention on land under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, APCOA is well aware that it cannot use the provisions of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) because East Midlands Airport is not 'relevant land.'

If East Midlands Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because APCOA is not the airport owner. Its 'parking charge' is not a penalty and never attempts to be. It is created for APCOA's own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse). APCOA has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) can only hold the driver liable. APCOA has no hope at POPLA. 

Please, could the lovely people of MSE help me out and say which is best 

Thanks again.
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  • Gr1pr
    Gr1pr Posts: 13,221 Forumite
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    A Manchester appeal is perfectly OK as long as the correct details are used, in your case EMA seeing as that is the location 

    No blabbing about who was driving or about what happened,  appeal as keeper 
  • Gr1pr said:
    A Manchester appeal is perfectly OK as long as the correct details are used, in your case EMA seeing as that is the location 

    No blabbing about who was driving or about what happened,  appeal as keeper 
    Thank you for that. appeal is going in now.
  • Nuggetz1
    Nuggetz1 Posts: 5 Newbie
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    Hi Pennyunwise. I have just received a dreaded letter from APCOA for the same mishap at East Mids Airport rapid dropoff. My letter from them doesn't mention PFoA. Did they refer to that in yours or am I misunderstanding that's just part of a legal response to contest the charge. I have only just received the notice from them today 6 Jan however they've quoted an issue date for the letter of 31 Jan. The visit to rapid dropoff was made on 20 December. Is this a way for them to get round the 14 day window to notify me of the charge? Or are they just a bit slow?
  • Woodstok2000
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    They only need to show they posted the notice, and it's assumed to be delivered within 2 days of that date, so here they are well within the timeline.

    Just follow the same steps above and you'll be grand.
  • ChirpyChicken
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    As above use the set text 
    Appeal as keeper
    Job done
  • Nuggetz1
    Nuggetz1 Posts: 5 Newbie
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    Thanks Woodstok and ChirpyChicken
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 161,173 Forumite
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    They only need to show they posted the notice, and it's assumed to be delivered within 2 days of that date, so here they are well within the timeline.
    The timeline is irrelevant. Non-POFA anyway.
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  • Nuggetz1
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    They only need to show they posted the notice, and it's assumed to be delivered within 2 days of that date, so here they are well within the timeline.
    The timeline is irrelevant. Non-POFA anyway.
    Thanks, so process with the text exactly as used by poster pennyunwise as above. No other information needed? 
  • ChirpyChicken
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    Nuggetz1 said:
    They only need to show they posted the notice, and it's assumed to be delivered within 2 days of that date, so here they are well within the timeline.
    The timeline is irrelevant. Non-POFA anyway.
    Thanks, so process with the text exactly as used by poster pennyunwise as above. No other information needed? 
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