Half hourly data settlement

Scot_39

That people will lose out.

As above, I cannot really see what the issue is with those who take a contrary view - when even Ofgem is having to contend with statements - including from suppliers and consumer groups - like

"a two-tiered market may emerge where those who share gain, and those who don’t lose out"

" otherwise they will be more expensive to supply"

"for example expensive flat tariffs to suspected high peak opt-out consumers"

Sounds like a healthy degree of concern is more than warranted to me.

MattMattMattUK

Scot_39 said:

That people will lose out.

That some people will lose out, but the overall there will be a net gain and indeed there could be a net gain for consumers provided they were willing to engage, the loss would be on the generators. 

Scot_39 said:

As above, I cannot really see what the issue is with those who take a contrary view - when even Ofgem is having to contend with statements - including from suppliers and consumer groups - like

Some of the statements are scaremongering (especially from "consumer groups"), for free publicity (mostly suppliers), to generate clickbait (certain newspapers). 

Scot_39 said:

"a two-tiered market may emerge where those who share gain, and those who don’t lose out"

" otherwise they will be more expensive to supply"

"for example expensive flat tariffs to suspected high peak opt-out consumers"

So those who refuse to share half hourly usage will be actively choosing to pay more for their energy, that is their choice and they have to accept the consequences of their actions. Those people should not expect the rest of society to pick up the cost of their choices. 

Scot_39 said:

Sounds like a healthy degree of concern is more than warranted to me.

Sounds like a something that is mildly worth keeping an eye on, but much of the chatter about it, especially from those opposed to it, goes well into conspiracy theory rubbish. Healthy concern is one thing, but most of what is claimed to be "healthy concern" is actually subscription to conspiracy theories and/or factually incorrect viewpoints or a refusal to understand what the actual proposals are. 

mmmmikey

Scot_39 said:

That people will lose out.

As above, I cannot really see what the issue is with those who take a contrary view - when even Ofgem is having to contend with statements - including from suppliers and consumer groups - like

"a two-tiered market may emerge where those who share gain, and those who don’t lose out"

" otherwise they will be more expensive to supply"

"for example expensive flat tariffs to suspected high peak opt-out consumers"

Sounds like a healthy degree of concern is more than warranted to me.

Hi @Scot_39 thanks for your more measured response. I probably wouldn't have been quite as direct but @MattMattMattUK has pretty much captured my thoughts above so I won't repeat them. You've made your concerns about the de-carbonisation of the energy industry very clear in many threads and although I don't agree with many of the points you make I generally understand them and it's always interesting to hear different views - so please keep posting  But to my may of thinking your views in this thread have been way out of proportion to what is a relatively small step that is entirely consistent with the general direction of travel. You've also supported your views with conspiracy theory and some very questionable beliefs presented as facts.

Scot_39

I suspect those who raised those concerns with Ofgem do not in fact believe them to be conspiracy theories - as more than one of the quotes I used were actually attirbuted to either suppliers or consumer groups - as they presented to Ofgem in their responses.

And nor did Ofgem try to dismiss them as such.

To be honest - their not my immediate concerns - in fact if I hadn't read them - and the Ofgem consultations in the past - I'd probably agree this is a minor step - but I have read them and I do believe they do however bring balance to the discussion - so I believe that others do have right to be aware of them - in the interest of balance.

To many go along with the flow until it's too late - like netzero - hence we are in part where we are on many things in the UK. 

With amongst the highest industrial and domestic energy costs in comparable countries.

Including the c£15 of additional network costs just added into the October cap - wiping out the wholesale cost saving.