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Smart Parking, DCB Legal court claim 2025 (2 PCNs)

qwertyoffice
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Hi all,

I got one though for two separate PCNs at the same location, both on one court claim for £544.24





Is this paragraph 3 ok please for my defence? 

On both dates the PCN was received within 5 minutes of parking. By the time the defendant paid (approx 8 to 10 minutes after parking) the PCN had already been issued.
The car park where the PCNs were issued is very busy and often only has one ticket machine working and therefore can take some time to purchase the parking ticket.
It seems the parking officers who operate this car park purposely issue PCNs immediately without waiting enough time for patrons to purchase a ticket. 




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  • qwertyoffice
    qwertyoffice Posts: 144 Forumite
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    Issue Date was 06/08 - AOS filed 26/08
  • Gr1pr
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    edited 29 August at 11:17AM
    I assume that it's Smart Parking via DCB Legal   ?

    Stick to the recent paragraph 3 wording in other recent cases involving that duo, and edit your thread title to something more suitable like 

    Smart Parking,  DCB Legal court claim 2025 ( 2 PCNs  )


  • qwertyoffice
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    Yes it is Smart Parking via DCB legal.  I will change the thread title now and search the forum, thank you
  • qwertyoffice
    qwertyoffice Posts: 144 Forumite
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    Seached the forum, so this will be my para 3 now - please confirm?


    Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is not indebted to the Claimant. Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper, paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred whatsoever. The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of their allegations."
  • Gr1pr
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    edited 29 August at 11:59AM
    Its definitely part of the defence,  but with Smart Parking cases there are one or two extra paragraph to add, as coupon mad has stated in numerous threads recently 
  • 1505grandad
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    As above  -  especially the "untruth" sentence.
  • Coupon-mad
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    Hi all,

    I got one though for two separate PCNs at the same location, both on one court claim for £544.24





    Is this paragraph 3 ok please for my defence? 

    On both dates the PCN was received within 5 minutes of parking. By the time the defendant paid (approx 8 to 10 minutes after parking) the PCN had already been issued.
    The car park where the PCNs were issued is very busy and often only has one ticket machine working and therefore can take some time to purchase the parking ticket.
    It seems the parking officers who operate this car park purposely issue PCNs immediately without waiting enough time for patrons to purchase a ticket. 





    Issue Date was 06/08 - AOS filed 26/08

    Just read other Smart defences. Copy the extra para so your defence ends up with 11 numbered paragraphs, not ten.

    Read any: the gym thread and loads of others talk about DCB Legal lying about the POFA.

    Search words include POFA signatory untruth.

    What's the claim issue date?

    When did you do the AOS?

    And even though this is stressful: please FIRST do the government's Public Consultation. We need every poster to complete this vital Consultation before the deadline.

    See this thread: -

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6617396/parking-code-of-practice-consultation-8-weeks-from-11th-july-2025/p1

    We understand that you may need some pointers. It looks laborious, we get that. It doesn't matter; no knowledge is needed except re your own experiences so you can call out a scam industry and you'll protect millions of motorists and help change the law.

    I've written some guidance on that thread. I have covered almost every question, providing ideas if you agree with our stance on things like DRFs, which we say must be banned.

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  • qwertyoffice
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    Thanks all, so is this final version ok please? 




    1. The Claimant’s sparse case lacks specificity and does not
    comply with CPR 16.4, 16PD3 or 16PD7, failing to 'state all facts
    necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of
    action'. The added costs/damages are an attempt at double recovery
    of capped legal fees (already listed in the claim) and are not
    monies genuinely owed to, or incurred by, this Claimant. The claim
    also exceeds the Code of Practice (CoP) £100 parking charge ('PC')
    maximum. Exaggerated claims for impermissible sums are good reason
    for the court to intervene. Whilst the Defendant reserves the
    right to amend the defence if details of the contract are
    provided, the court is invited to strike out the claim using its
    powers under CPR 3.4.

    2. The allegation(s) and heads of cost are vague and liability is
    denied for the sum claimed, or at all. At the very least, interest
    should be disallowed; the delay in bringing proceedings lies with
    the Claimant. This also makes retrieving material
    documents/evidence difficult, which is highly prejudicial. The
    Defendant seeks fixed costs (CPR 27.14) and a finding of
    unreasonable conduct and further costs (CPR 46.5). The Defendant
    has little recollection of events, save as set out below and to
    admit that they were the hirer and driver.


    3. On both dates the PCN was received within 5 minutes of parking. By the time the defendant paid (approx 8 to 10 minutes after parking) the PCN had already been issued.
    The car park where the PCNs were issued is very busy and often only has one ticket machine working and therefore can take some time to purchase the parking ticket.
    It seems the parking officers who operate this car park purposely issue PCNs immediately without waiting enough time for patrons to purchase a ticket. 

    4. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is not indebted to the Claimant. Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper, paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred whatsoever. The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of their allegations.

    5. It is neither admitted nor denied that a term was breached but
    to form a contract, there must be an offer, acceptance, and
    valuable consideration (absent in this case). The Consumer Rights
    Act 2015 (s71) mandates a 'test of fairness' duty on Courts and
    sets a high bar for prominence of terms and 'consumer notices'.
    Paying regard to Sch2 (examples 6, 10, 14 & 18), also s62 and the
    duties of fair, open dealing/good faith, the Defendant notes that
    this Claimant reportedly uses unclear (unfair) terms/notices. On
    the limited information given, this case looks no different. The
    Claimant is put to strict proof with contemporaneous photographs.

    6. DVLA keeper data is only supplied on the basis of prior written
    landowner authority. The Claimant (an agent) is put to strict
    proof of their standing to sue and the terms, scope and dates of
    the landowner agreement, including the contract, updates,
    schedules and a map of the site boundary set by the landowner (not
    an unverified Google Maps aerial view).

    7. To impose a PC, as well as a breach, there must be: (i) a
    strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond compensation for
    loss, and (ii) 'adequate notice' (prominence) of the PC and any
    relevant obligation(s). None of which have been demonstrated. This
    PC is a penalty arising as a result of a 'concealed pitfall or
    trap', poor signs and covert surveillance, thus it is fully
    distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC67.

    8. Attention is drawn to (i) paras 98, 100, 193, 198 of Beavis
    (an £85 PC comfortably covered all letter chain costs and
    generated a profit shared with the landowner) and also to (ii) the
    binding judgment in ParkingEye v Somerfield Stores ChD [2011] EWHC
    4023(QB) which remains unaffected by Beavis and stands as the only
    parking case law that deals with costs abuse. HHJ Hegarty held in
    paras 419-428 (High Court, later ratified by the CoA) that 'admin
    costs' inflating a £75 PC (already increased from £37.50) to £135
    were disproportionate to the minor cost of an automated
    letter-chain and 'would appear to be penal'.

    9. The Parking (Code of Practice) Act will curb rogue conduct by
    operators and their debt recovery agents (DRAs). The Government
    recently launched a Public Consultation considered likely to bring
    in a ban on DRA fees, which a 2022 Minister called ‘extorting
    money from motorists’. They have identified in July 2025: 'profit
    being made by DRAs is significantly higher than ... by parking
    operators' and 'the high profits may be indicative of these firms
    having too much control over the market, thereby indicating that
    there is a market failure'.

    10. Pursuant to Sch4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012
    ('POFA') the claim exceeds the maximum sum and is unrecoverable:
    see Explanatory Note 221: 'The creditor may not make a claim
    against the keeper ... for more than the amount of the unpaid
    parking related charges as they stood when the notice to the
    driver was issued (para 4(5))'. Late fees (unknown to drivers, not
    specified on signs) are not 'unpaid parking related charges'. They
    are the invention of 'no win no fee' DRAs. Even in the (unlikely)
    event that the Claimant complied with the POFA and CoP, there is
    no keeper liability law for DRA fees.

    11. This claim is an utter waste of court resources and it is an
    indication of systemic abuse that parking cases now make up a
    third of all small claims. False fees fuel bulk litigation that
    has overburdened HMCTS. The most common outcome of defended cases
    is late discontinuance, making Claimants liable for costs
    (r.38.6(1)). Whilst this does not 'normally' apply to the small
    claims track (r.38.6(3)) the White Book has this annotation: 'Note
    that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a
    case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of
    discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be
    awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))'.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 157,143 Forumite
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    The defence is good... almost...

    BUT YOU HAVE MISSED THE EXTRA POINT ON EVERY SMART DEFENCE THREAD, ABOUT THE SIGNATORY MISLEADING THE COURT.

    There are lots of examples of DCB Legal misleading the court and keepers about POFA liability in non-POFA cases.

    All Smart Parking claims this year include this misleading action in the claim particulars e.g.

    TimBisley 
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81594423/#Comment_81594423

    basilpeach
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6625981/defence-against-dcb-legal-for-smart-parking/p1

    helpiamuseless66
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6625722/smart-parking-dcbl/p1

    kevmac25
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81622149/#Comment_81622149

    Some or all of the above have the extra paragraph about the signatory misleading the court about POFA.

    You need to add that in your case too, making your defence 11 paragraphs or more. If it doesn't fit into MCOL just remove the LAST paragraph of the template defence.
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  • qwertyoffice
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    edited 9 September at 2:12PM
    Ok thank you for your help so far, so this is the one?

    3. On both dates the PCN was received within 5 minutes of parking. By the time the defendant paid (approx 8 to 10 minutes after parking) the PCN had already been issued.
    The car park where the PCNs were issued is very busy and often only has one ticket machine working and therefore can take some time to purchase the parking ticket.
    It seems the parking officers who operate this car park purposely issue PCNs immediately without waiting enough time for patrons to purchase a ticket. 

    4. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is not indebted to the Claimant. Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper, paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred whatsoever. The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of their allegations.

    5.  Further, regarding the Particulars of Claim paragraph 4, research has proved that this Claimant has never used the POFA 2012 and has never been able to hold registered keepers liable. This is important in remote ANPR cases where there is no evidence that the Defendant was driving and, in fact, the solicitor signatory of the statement of truth on this claim is knowingly or negligently misleading the court by citing that law. Despite tens of thousands of boilerplate claims from DCB Legal causing inflated default CCJs this year - as they have reportedly filed a 'job lot' of template bulk claims for this Claimant, all repeating the untruth about the POFA 2012 - Smart Parking has no cause of action against any registered keeper.
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