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Gifts during lifetime for probate

I am trying to work out what gifts need to be included in probate calculations. Guidance seems to suggest ….”Birthday or Christmas gifts you give from your regular income are exempt from Inheritance Tax”.

Does this just apply to small gifts under £250? Or does it also apply to gifts over £3000 if paid from regular pension income? 

Grateful for any help received 

https://www.gov.uk/inheritance-tax/gifts

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  • user1977
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    edited 27 August at 8:27AM
    My reading is it's unlimited, provided you're not depleting your capital.

    Not sure it literally needs to be "birthdays and Christmas" only (the latter would seem discriminatory for a start!).
  • NorthYorkie
    NorthYorkie Posts: 156 Forumite
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    The correct phrase is "normal expenditure out of income" i.e. there needs to be a pattern of regular, habitual gifts made out of the individual's surplus income (and therefore not out of capital).
  • Skint_yet_Again
    Skint_yet_Again Posts: 8,467 Forumite
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    edited 27 August at 9:39AM
    Thanks user1977 and NorthYorkie

    This is lifted direct from gov.uk so no change of wording. It is specific about the gifts being at Christmas and birthdays

    Small gift allowance

    You can give as many gifts of up to £250 per person as you want each tax year, as long as you have not used another allowance on the same person.

    Birthday or Christmas gifts you give from your regular income are exempt from Inheritance Tax.

    https://www.gov.uk/inheritance-tax/gifts


    Edit to add the money came from monthly pensions. No other income into the account 

    0% credit card £1360 & 0% Car Loan £7500 ~ paid in full JAN 2020 = NOW DEBT FREE 🤗
    House sale OCT 2022 = NOW MORTGAGE FREE 🤗
    House purchase completed FEB 2023 🥳🍾 Left work. 🤗

    Retired at 55 & now living off the equity £10k a year (until pensions start at 60 & 67).

    Previous Savings diary https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5597938/get-a-grip/p1

    Living off savings diary
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6429003/escape-to-the-country-living-off-savings/p1
  • probate_slave
    probate_slave Posts: 71 Forumite
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    edited 27 August at 9:47AM
    I'm afraid your gov.uk page makes an absolute howler by placing Christmas & birthday presents under the small gifts exemption. They properly belong in the Normal expenditure section a couple of paragraphs lower, as NorthYorkie explains. This is much clearer in the IHT400 Notes at page 77.

    If you want your executor to eventually apply the Normal expenditure exemption, have a look at the last page of IHT403 to see how much additional detail needs to be given to satisfy HMRC.
  • user1977
    user1977 Posts: 18,041 Forumite
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    edited 27 August at 9:58AM

    This is lifted direct from gov.uk so no change of wording. It is specific about the gifts being at Christmas and birthdays

    Yes, but unfortunately much of the "advice" on gov.uk pages is rather simplistic and misleading (not just on Inheritance Tax). It isn't the law (despite the actual law being elsewhere on gov.uk!).
  • Skint_yet_Again
    Skint_yet_Again Posts: 8,467 Forumite
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    Thank you both I wasn’t disagreeing. Hopefully we can include them without needing to try and claim the exemption. Your help is much appreciated 
    0% credit card £1360 & 0% Car Loan £7500 ~ paid in full JAN 2020 = NOW DEBT FREE 🤗
    House sale OCT 2022 = NOW MORTGAGE FREE 🤗
    House purchase completed FEB 2023 🥳🍾 Left work. 🤗

    Retired at 55 & now living off the equity £10k a year (until pensions start at 60 & 67).

    Previous Savings diary https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5597938/get-a-grip/p1

    Living off savings diary
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6429003/escape-to-the-country-living-off-savings/p1
  • poseidon1
    poseidon1 Posts: 1,526 Forumite
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    As a matter of interest are your joint estate anywhere near the £1 million threshold where IHT would start to bite?

    If not, do you even need to worry about the  availability of the various IHT gifts exemptions to shelter your annual gifting? Forgive me if you have already imparted your estate value in another post.
  • poppystar
    poppystar Posts: 1,663 Forumite
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    poseidon1 said:
    As a matter of interest are your joint estate anywhere near the £1 million threshold where IHT would start to bite?

    If not, do you even need to worry about the  availability of the various IHT gifts exemptions to shelter your annual gifting? Forgive me if you have already imparted your estate value in another post.
    But maybe OP is executor for someone who is single or childless or propertyless?.
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