Listed building and windows

user1977

ExEstateAgent said:

I don't think you can buy an indemnity policy to protect you againt criminal charges (which is what you can face for breaking listed building rules). 

It will buy one of the other solutions which would avoid that happening 

GDB2222

youth_leader said:

Gawd and Bennett!  Don't think these were available in 1847!  

I think you have to preserve a listed building in the state it was in at the time it was listed, rather than when it was built? 

RAS

GDB2222 said:

youth_leader said:

Gawd and Bennett!  Don't think these were available in 1847!  

I think you have to preserve a listed building in the state it was in at the time it was listed, rather than when it was built? 

Yes, and if that means the hideous hundred year old repair/extension on a 16C building is listed, the hideous has to stay. You need PP to restore "sympathetically" and may well be refused.

In other cases, it's worth looking at the suitability of secondary glazing. Less visible, costly and very good at noise reduction as well as draught exclusion and helps heat retention.

Section62

GDB2222 said:

youth_leader said:

Gawd and Bennett!  Don't think these were available in 1847!  

I think you have to preserve a listed building in the state it was in at the time it was listed, rather than when it was built? 

Yes - with the caveat that consented alterations made after the listing are also covered.  Listing is about preserving the 'story' of the building, including even the most recent alterations, rather than restoring/preserving as originally built.

strawb_shortcake

Update:

The council have come back, they've confirmed no planning permission was sought, and will not be granted retrospectively. The owners have 6 months to restore them back to acceptable timber framed windows

Section62

strawb_shortcake said:

Update:

The council have come back, they've confirmed no planning permission was sought, and will not be granted retrospectively. The owners have 6 months to restore them back to acceptable timber framed windows

Thanks for the update.

Would the owners be willing to sell with a discount to reflect the cost of reverting the windows?

strawb_shortcake

Section62 said:

strawb_shortcake said:

Update:

The council have come back, they've confirmed no planning permission was sought, and will not be granted retrospectively. The owners have 6 months to restore them back to acceptable timber framed windows

Thanks for the update.

Would the owners be willing to sell with a discount to reflect the cost of reverting the windows?

I don't know, it's a lovely house, there were a few compromises that we'd have to make with this on top I think it would be just too much, especially when considering the time frames, we haven't even got an offer on ours as yet either. 

youth_leader

@strawb_shortcake thanks for the update, poor vendor, that will be a very expensive job. Good luck with your house hunt.

 An old lady here in my village was a LII and she had the windows at the back of her house double glazed without permission.   Someone reported her and she had to have them changed back.  I was 59 when my husband died in 2016 and I was scared of hypothermia in our single glazed LII, it was so very cold.  As southerners we hadn't realised how very cold it is in the north and very stupidly stripped the timber floors completely, we all got chilblains. My first winter alone there I'd ordered 2 dumpy  bags of wood, nearly killed me taking it all up the eighteen front steps, and then the pointing around the chimney failed.  Wood burner couldn't draw properly.  When I went outside I could see the smoke coming of the side of the chimney   A 'roofer' came and charged me £500 to fix it - without scaffolding - but he used cement, so it didn't last.  We had eight chimneys but I only had three in use, luckily.  PS house was solid sandstone, needed lime and mortar

user1977

Section62 said:

strawb_shortcake said:

Update:

The council have come back, they've confirmed no planning permission was sought, and will not be granted retrospectively. The owners have 6 months to restore them back to acceptable timber framed windows

Thanks for the update.

Would the owners be willing to sell with a discount to reflect the cost of reverting the windows?

Probably not an option if buying with a mortgage (don’t know whether the OP is).

twopenny

I've only just seen this
It's not just the plastic, it's the glass doesn't reflect as single glaze does.

A village in the natiional park near me is all listed in the centre and 5 houses put in double glazing windows. As nothing happened with the first the others followed.
All we're told to replace them and they were furious - having to pay again even though they knew they were wrong.

Same village has a house for sale by the national park. A man knocked out the whole interior himself with no experience, to make it open plan including the chimney making it unsafe. It was reclaimed by the park.
Now that's going to be expensive to put right 😮