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Ongoing Brewerygate issues, and illegal reset 2 years later, sanctioned by IPC

- Original PCN 21st august 2023 via postal NTK
- Appealed 2nd sept 2023 - never received response
- IPC later rules that the appeal was valid and received and therefore breach of IPC code 19.4.1.  
- IPC sanctions an unlawful "reset" of the charge in July 2025. I can pay reduced fine or appeal online. I ignore!
- I asked for an explanation including citation of where this is allowed in the code or legal precent. 
- Complaint closed the next day without explanation other than "we cant help any further". 
- Today pointed out to Brewerygate, after realising not only is it invalid due to breach of IPC Code, but also keeper liability doesn't apply anymore.

Every !!!!!!, rushed and uneducated reply from Brewerygate over the 2 years is "provide proof of payment or else". They completely avoid engaging with all my proof of procedural abuse on their part. They also never provided to my request for proof that no payment was made, because they don't have any.

All they have proof my vehicle was there, which I never denied. 

There's so many more layers to this including misconduct, harassment and procedural abuse by their solicitor Gladstone. 

I reported to the ICO, DVLA and SRA as well as Trading Standards. 

Landowner ignored my email so that's a dead-end.

Besides wait for it to go to court what more can I do?
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  • Also, for context:

    • Original LBC in Oct 2023. Replied with my dispute. No response.
    • Chased up in Nov 2023 - they said "leave it with us - we'll hold any proceedings until our legal team can respond."
    • They abandoned the case for 15 months then suddenly "suggested I pay or else..." in Feb 2025. I reply - no response.
    • 5 Months further silence
    • New LBC came through in July 2025 - I replied again. 
    • A week later the status changed to "post-litigation" without any response or explanation. Same day I receive the "reset" of the original PCN
    • I received the PCN again in the post - notice to keeper dated 31st July 2025 for parking 21st August 2023. 
    • Ive made 2 enquiries online and they haven't replied to anything.
    Despite all of the legal grounds I have presented, and the mounting evidence and potential regulatory action against them the operator just wont back down.
  • Coupon-mad
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    IPC sanctions an unlawful "reset" of the charge in July 2025. 
    Show us that communication please.
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  • Le_Kirk
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    Besides wait for it to go to court what more can I do?
    You can take part in the Government consultation, you are the perfect respondee as you have personal experience of the shenanigans of the parking companies.  See this thread: -
    11 July at 10:39AM<<<LINK
  • Le_Kirk said:
    Besides wait for it to go to court what more can I do?
    You can take part in the Government consultation, you are the perfect respondee as you have personal experience of the shenanigans of the parking companies.  See this thread: -
    11 July at 10:39AM<<<LINK

    as below, my complaint beneath asking where a reset is written in the code or what the legal precedent was. it was just closed without response. I made another and they closed it next day and said sorry you feel that way bt we cant further. 
  • IPC sanctions an unlawful "reset" of the charge in July 2025. 
    Show us that communication please.
    Sorry, quoted wrong person but I've posted the screenshot above. Can share the email from Brewerygate with the reset if needed too. I cannot believe this is actually happening. I think Brewerygate are a small family business based on their companies house. They seem clueless and reckless in the face of evidence, they're still pushing for proof of payment, despite the burden being with them to prove there was no payment. I believe they can't and that's why they keep painting themselves further into a corner. I've asked twice for evidence including a SAR. All they have is the photo of the car in their carpark. 
    Their only playing chip is to try to get me to fold under pressure. Even in asking me to appeal they admitted that they want me to use their online appeals so they can gather evidence. They're trying to retroactively manufacture the appearance of being compliant because they !!!!!! it when they had the chance and they know I've got mounting evidence against them for that. 
  • Coupon-mad
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    Le_Kirk said:
    Besides wait for it to go to court what more can I do?
    You can take part in the Government consultation, you are the perfect respondee as you have personal experience of the shenanigans of the parking companies.  See this thread: -
    11 July at 10:39AM<<<LINK

    as below, my complaint beneath asking where a reset is written in the code or what the legal precedent was. it was just closed without response. I made another and they closed it next day and said sorry you feel that way bt we cant further. 
    Reissuing the PCN is in the Joint Code. It doesn't use the word 'reset' but the clause requiring operators to do this IS there.

    Did BGate reissue the PCN to you?

    Either way, please now make a difference by completing the Public Consultation, if you haven't done it yet. See this thread: -

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6617396/parking-code-of-practice-consultation-8-weeks-from-11th-july-2025/p1

    We need every poster to come back & complete this vital Consultation before the deadline! Just 2 weeks left but don't rush it.

    I'm taking a closer look this week and we'll walk you through it. I should have all the first post 'how to respond to each question' advice ready by the end of this week.

    There are vital points to safeguard motorists interests to make, that many people won't think of/need focus. There won't be a template - the survey is for you to reply in your words - but we'll help everyone with what to focus on. 

    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • sickofthiscrap90
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    Le_Kirk said:
    Besides wait for it to go to court what more can I do?
    You can take part in the Government consultation, you are the perfect respondee as you have personal experience of the shenanigans of the parking companies.  See this thread: -
    11 July at 10:39AM<<<LINK

    as below, my complaint beneath asking where a reset is written in the code or what the legal precedent was. it was just closed without response. I made another and they closed it next day and said sorry you feel that way bt we cant further. 
    Reissuing the PCN is in the Joint Code. It doesn't use the word 'reset' but the clause requiring operators to do this IS there.

    Did BGate reissue the PCN to you?

    Either way, please now make a difference by completing the Public Consultation, if you haven't done it yet. See this thread: -

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6617396/parking-code-of-practice-consultation-8-weeks-from-11th-july-2025/p1

    We need every poster to come back & complete this vital Consultation before the deadline! Just 2 weeks left but don't rush it.

    I'm taking a closer look this week and we'll walk you through it. I should have all the first post 'how to respond to each question' advice ready by the end of this week.

    There are vital points to safeguard motorists interests to make, that many people won't think of/need focus. There won't be a template - the survey is for you to reply in your words - but we'll help everyone with what to focus on. 

    As I have said twice now, I have completed the consultation. Im just looking for advice on getting this ticket stopped.

    The reissue is by the operator, yes. However, I still have evidence of procedural abuse and unfairness if it goes to court. 


    1. failure to acknowledge a valid appeal, as confirmed by the IPC themselves. 
    2. a bunch of procedural failings by them in regards to their formal complaints policy, and Gladstone. The Solicitors Regulatory Authority is involved in that now which might help me if further regulatory action is taken

    Question - the joint code appears to have come into effect in 2024. The PCN is from 2023. Is there any limitation to it retroactively? How far back does that apply?
  • Umkomaas
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    Question - the joint code appears to have come into effect in 2024. The PCN is from 2023. Is there any limitation to it retroactively? How far back does that apply? 
    Well, interesting question. Excel and VCS (in relation to the 5 minute consideration period changing to 10 minutes) actually argue that any 5 minute breach occurring before the new code is game for pursuit. But I'm sure a judge won't stand for that, but it doesn't stop them trying.

    If the minutiae of the Code doesn't confirm the answer to your question, it's the IPC who need to answer it.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Le_Kirk said:
    Besides wait for it to go to court what more can I do?
    You can take part in the Government consultation, you are the perfect respondee as you have personal experience of the shenanigans of the parking companies.  See this thread: -
    11 July at 10:39AM<<<LINK

    as below, my complaint beneath asking where a reset is written in the code or what the legal precedent was. it was just closed without response. I made another and they closed it next day and said sorry you feel that way bt we cant further. 
    Reissuing the PCN is in the Joint Code. It doesn't use the word 'reset' but the clause requiring operators to do this IS there.

    Did BGate reissue the PCN to you?

    Either way, please now make a difference by completing the Public Consultation, if you haven't done it yet. See this thread: -

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6617396/parking-code-of-practice-consultation-8-weeks-from-11th-july-2025/p1

    We need every poster to come back & complete this vital Consultation before the deadline! Just 2 weeks left but don't rush it.

    I'm taking a closer look this week and we'll walk you through it. I should have all the first post 'how to respond to each question' advice ready by the end of this week.

    There are vital points to safeguard motorists interests to make, that many people won't think of/need focus. There won't be a template - the survey is for you to reply in your words - but we'll help everyone with what to focus on. 

    I've read through the code as best I can. They only thing I can find that allows a 'reset' is if you moved house, and you say you didn't know you had a PCN they can allow you to appeal again or pay the original. Which is not the case - can you reference anything in the code I missed?

    Also, as I suspected this code is not retroactively applicably. It only applies to tickets on or after 1st October 2024 - Feb 2025. Then Version 2 became applicable. 

    The IPC Code of Practice is the one they have to follow for my ticket because it was in place at the time. 
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