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I need to solicitor to serve a LBA ( Letter Before Action )

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  • GingerTim
    GingerTim Posts: 2,640 Forumite
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    edited 6 August at 2:30PM
    Ehi said:
    Okell said:
    Would you be willing to share your draft LBA?


    see this https://postimg.cc/xkZvNQ7S

    I have mentioned the 4 areas of law I would be relying on earlier. All drafted by AI. You would be shocked what AI can do


    Okell said:

    I'm also concerned that the OP is confusing a LBA with the actual issue of a claim or the court case itself.  They seem to think all they need to do is to send a LBA and the dealer will cough up £16, 000 - or something



    you never know, that would be a nice days wage  B):)o:)
    Where are the quotations from? They don't make the LBA look particularly sensible or professional. Are they something said to you, or has the LLM used language from your prompts? More generally, very poorly written and is all over the place - in other words, I can believe that AI wrote it.

    When it says 'our client', who is the 'our'? I thought your solicitors aren't involved in this?

    If I received something like this I would file it straight into the bin.
  • eskbanker
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    edited 6 August at 2:40PM

    I have mentioned the 4 areas of law I would be relying on earlier. All drafted by AI. You would be shocked what AI can do
    And it appears that you'd be shocked by what it can't do!  A quick skim of that poorly-structured and badly-punctuated document shows a similar lack of focus and attention to detail to what you've shared on here, so if you're under the impression that AI has transformed your story into a cohesive and compelling legal case then prepare to be disappointed....

    1 . Our client is seeking a full refund for wilful & intentional misrepresentation of a (PCP) contract, in which deliberate false promises of "paradise & heavenly bliss" and a future promise of a brand new car, "AS A BAIT" were made by your MD, "and not a sales rep" who tricked and mislead our client into signing a 3-year contract on a different vehicle ( a used one). A clear breach of an FCA regulated contract. 

    The investigation email dated XXXX is grossly inadequate. It is "packed full of blatant lies and cover-ups," ignoring corporate legally binding evidence, and fails to address our client's grievances substantively 

    Our client is seeking to have the outcome, lodged as a formal complaint to the parent HQ and all governing and regulatory bodies. As though earlier denied. Both FCA & Trading standards as of 5/8/25 have re-opened fresh investigations 

    • Immediate full refund of all sums paid by our client, including finance charges and any associated fees. • A copy of all internal communications and documents relating to the misleading representations made. • Confirmation that your response will be forwarded as a formal complaint to HQ. FCA. Trading Standards. and all other relevant regulatory bodies. • Assurance that no further harassment, intimidation, or bullying of our client will occur—any such behaviour will be reported and not tolerated. 

  • user1977
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    Ehi said:
    Okell said:
    Would you be willing to share your draft LBA?


    All drafted by AI. You would be shocked what AI can do

    I'm not particularly shocked at the complete guff it can produce, given there have already been well-publicised cases of it producing fictional case-law.

    Nothing in that draft suggests to me someone who is likely to launch a successful, or even comprehensible, court action.
  • Isthisforreal99
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    Ehi said:
    Okell said:
    Would you be willing to share your draft LBA?


    see this https://postimg.cc/xkZvNQ7S

    I have mentioned the 4 areas of law I would be relying on earlier. All drafted by AI. You would be shocked what AI can do.
    Yes, I bet the individuals who used AI in a Tax Tribunal case were shocked to discover it had created 2 fictional 'case law' cases that supported the basis of their appeal.

    Suffice to say the judge was not amused.
  • Renfrewman
    Renfrewman Posts: 32 Forumite
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    Came to this late...is it some sort of wind-up?
  • eskbanker
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    Came to this late...is it some sort of wind-up?
    Unfortunately I suspect not, although I would dearly love to see the 'evidence' of this quote:
    ...a (PCP) contract, in which deliberate false promises of "paradise & heavenly bliss"...
  • born_again
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    edited 6 August at 4:09PM
    Ehi said:
    eskbanker said:
    It sounds plausible that you could make a case for suffering some financial loss, but that wouldn't be a simplistic "I paid £x for a car I didn't want, therefore I'm claiming that amount", as you presumably still have the car?
    Moral of the story, dont use the name of a global billion dollar brand to lie to hard working individuals. If it were the reverse, and I missed a direct debit by £1 and was returned. It would be registered against me for probably 6 years

    Even if I dont get any refund out of it, I plan to ask the courts to let me publish the findings publicly against them. 

    Prior to approaching them, I had a 8 year old honda which was problematic, so when they promised me 10 year or 100k warranty and heaven and bliss, I sold my honda and jump on board, now they are denying they ever talked to me and denying emails, company letterheads, quotations etc 

    I find the level of dishonesty COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE
    Who is this brand & who is the company you used?

    Sorry but if that is your LBA, all it is going to do is give them a good laugh.
    Life in the slow lane
  • Okell
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    user1977 said:
    Ehi said:
    Okell said:
    Would you be willing to share your draft LBA?


    All drafted by AI. You would be shocked what AI can do

    I'm not particularly shocked at the complete guff it can produce, given there have already been well-publicised cases of it producing fictional case-law.

    Nothing in that draft suggests to me someone who is likely to launch a successful, or even comprehensible, court action.
    Attorneys in the US discovered the hard way that it was a bad idea two years ago  -  How to Use ChatGPT to Ruin Your Legal Career
  • powerful_Rogue
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    Ehi said:
    Okell said:
    Would you be willing to share your draft LBA?


    see this https://postimg.cc/xkZvNQ7S

    I have mentioned the 4 areas of law I would be relying on earlier. All drafted by AI. You would be shocked what AI can do

    Sorry, but that LBA is truly awful. They will 100% know that has not come from any legal firm. It's full of waffle, unfounded accusations and demands that have nothing to do with any court.

  • Okell
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    What I don't understand is that the OP seems more concerned "... that the BAD ILL PRACTICE be reported to their HQ and put an end to it all..." rather than trying to put together a coherent case or argument for misrepresentation.

    It's also not clear to me:

    1.  what the OP means by "their HQ";

    2.  whether the OP understands that there will be a complete separation between the "giant motor manufacturer" and the franchised dealer they bought from; and 

    3.  that the OP has any clue at all as to what they are trying to do.


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