Not Parked Wholly Within Bay

BMWF30

I recently posted in the DCB Legal Discontinuations thread about my case with ECP after 3 years of harassment. 


Now I received this letter today from UKPS. There are photos of my car entering and leaving the supermarket car park, but no actual photos of my car being parked outside a marked bay. I didn't even see signages of UKPS stating the T&C, I thought the car park was managed by the supermarket itself. I'm quite sure that without photos of the alleged offence, they cannot claim I was parked outside the marked bay. But any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Coupon-mad

Show us the back too.

Gr1pr

You could appeal as keeper as described in the first post in the newbies sticky thread in announcements near the top of the forum 

Then ignore the powerless debt collectors letters,  because no appeal will work IMHO 

BMWF30

Coupon-mad said:

Show us the back too.

Yes, please see the photo below. 

Coupon-mad

Gr1pr said:

You could appeal as keeper as described in the first post in the newbies sticky thread in announcements near the top of the forum 

Yes do this AS KEEPER (not saying who was driving) but let's do second stage appeal as well, test the IAS because that final paragraph (on page one) is lying about keeper liability which I think Is in the sanctions.

I've no idea really what the joint code sanctions say because it's a pile of self-serving trash and I don't care what that useless joke of a Code says, but that's not a POFA compliantly worded NTK to hold a keeper liable. See para 9 of schedule 4 for the mandatory requirements.

Therefore that final paragraph is lying.

LoneStarState

Check online to 100% make sure UKPS do not have any additional photos of the vehicle.  If that's the case then to be honest, I'd say go at it with the IAS and a complaint to the DVLA.  Absolutely no reasonable cause if no evidence.

Coupon-mad

But don't say 'there's no evidence where I parked' obviously!

BMWF30

Coupon-mad said:

Gr1pr said:

You could appeal as keeper as described in the first post in the newbies sticky thread in announcements near the top of the forum 

Yes do this AS KEEPER (not saying who was driving) but let's do second stage appeal as well, test the IAS because that final paragraph (on page one) is lying about keeper liability which I think Is in the sanctions.

I've no idea really what the joint code sanctions say because it's a pile of self-serving trash and I don't care what that useless joke of a Code says, but that's not a POFA compliantly worded NTK to hold a keeper liable. See para 9 of schedule 4 for the mandatory requirements.

Therefore that final paragraph is lying.

On the IAS's website, it says that:

Before you appeal to the IAS, you must first appeal to the operator (the company that issued the parking charge).

So I have to do this? With ECP, I didn't 'appeal', because I had a feeling it was a sham. I'll read related paragraphs/schedules of POFA to see what my rights are. Thank you. 

BMWF30

LoneStarState said:

Check online to 100% make sure UKPS do not have any additional photos of the vehicle.  If that's the case then to be honest, I'd say go at it with the IAS and a complaint to the DVLA.  Absolutely no reasonable cause if no evidence.

Will do. They don't have an email address so I have to submit a request using their online form. 

ChirpyChicken

you appeal on the awful ukps portal and await the decline which says "the appeals manager has personally reviewed this case"

BMWF30

BMWF30 said:

LoneStarState said:

Check online to 100% make sure UKPS do not have any additional photos of the vehicle.  If that's the case then to be honest, I'd say go at it with the IAS and a complaint to the DVLA.  Absolutely no reasonable cause if no evidence.

Will do. They don't have an email address so I have to submit a request using their online form. 

I used two different browsers to contact them using their online form. Surprise surprise! In both cases, the screen says 'ReCaptcha error' and won't send my form.