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  • masonic
    masonic Posts: 27,167 Forumite
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    Probably best not to read too much into what he is doing, but he's not selling US stocks to buy stocks elsewhere in the world. His recent sales have been focused on reducing exposure to the banking sector. Seems to be hoarding cash. So that might not bode well for financials elsewhere in the world either. They've had a good run recently, so maybe the party is coming to an end.
    Then again, perhaps it means nothing.
  • Linton
    Linton Posts: 18,153 Forumite
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    So the key take away for me is that I am probably light on US holdings. It was always in my mind that I could use the cash or short term bonds to increase that, but just not right now.

    I have also taken onboard the extent to which the UK fund is higher risk as a result of its over reliance on Financial Services. It may be sensible at some point to swap that out for a FTSE All Share managed tracker such as HSBC. 

     Many thanks for everyone's comments, it's always helpful to understand other people's perspectives.
    I have done that…combined Artemis SG with HSBC Ftse tracker for both UK and Europe. I think the marginally increased risk scores of the Smartgarp funds over the index is justified for now by the significant extra return they generate. I also agree with you that managed funds delivering consistently more than low cost index funds do justify that extra 1% in fees…for as long as they deliver. I am still 50% in US though..

    I see little justification for holding Artemis European SmartGARP at all in a retirement portfolio.

    Looking at the Morningstar portfolio data for the fund I see financial services is 39%. Financial services must surely be the most globally correlated sector of all, one major country’s  banks are unlikely to fail (or strongly out-perform) unless the same thing is happening everywhere. Hence it represents a serious single point of failure risk.

    Risk scores are not helpful in these circumstances when they are based on short term volatility rather than susceptibility to “black swan” events. 
  • chiang_mai
    chiang_mai Posts: 212 Forumite
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    Linton said:

    I see little justification for holding Artemis European SmartGARP at all in a retirement portfolio.

    Looking at the Morningstar portfolio data for the fund I see financial services is 39%. Financial services must surely be the most globally correlated sector of all, one major country’s  banks are unlikely to fail (or strongly out-perform) unless the same thing is happening everywhere. Hence it represents a serious single point of failure risk.

    Risk scores are not helpful in these circumstances when they are based on short term volatility rather than susceptibility to “black swan” events. 
    My apologies if I have unintentionally misled you but mine is not a retirement portfolio. I am indeed over 75 and retired but this portfolio does not have any connection with my retirement income. This portfolio and its future growth is a source of learning and fun, it will eventually be left to my wife, along with the rest of my estate, of which this forms a small part. SC EU represents 11% of my equities (7% of my portfolio), I don't  think that's a significant allocation.
  • chiang_mai
    chiang_mai Posts: 212 Forumite
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    masonic said:
    Probably best not to read too much into what he is doing, but he's not selling US stocks to buy stocks elsewhere in the world. His recent sales have been focused on reducing exposure to the banking sector. Seems to be hoarding cash. So that might not bode well for financials elsewhere in the world either. They've had a good run recently, so maybe the party is coming to an end.
    Then again, perhaps it means nothing.
    There are a number of valid reasons why he is selling, including tax avoidance, regulatory and the fact that some of his investments have reached fair value. Bond market risks are however in the center of my radar, along with the impact they might have on the banking system, in Asia, in particular. Bond defaults in my region are highly probable this year and neither government nor the banks will have the degree of liquidity needed to support the issuers. Junk bonds issued by regional property companies are prolific, their potential to upend the banking system, locally and beyond, should not be underestimated, not by anyone who remembers 1997.
  • Hoenir
    Hoenir Posts: 7,719 Forumite
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    masonic said:
    Probably best not to read too much into what he is doing, but he's not selling US stocks to buy stocks elsewhere in the world. His recent sales have been focused on reducing exposure to the banking sector. Seems to be hoarding cash. So that might not bode well for financials elsewhere in the world either. They've had a good run recently, so maybe the party is coming to an end.
    Then again, perhaps it means nothing.
    There are a number of valid reasons why he is selling, including tax avoidance, regulatory and the fact that some of his investments have reached fair value. 
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