No Standing Charge Tariff

matt_drummer

wrf12345 said:

The good news is that both the owner of this site and the energy minister are in favour of zero s/c tariffs, Ofgem have the problem of implementing them in a fair way - a novel concept for an organisation that seems to favour the industry over the consumer - so all we have to do is sit back and see what eventuates before this coming winter. I think that the conclusion will be that the only way to do it is to have the std tariff with a zero s/c, the retail companies still able to offer similar tariffs to what are available today but suspect that most will land on the old Ebico simplicity of zero s/c and one rate for all means of payment. Nothing could be simpler, Greener and fairer. High users have ample space to cut back usage to compensate for the marginally higher unit rate cost - their choice. A very small number of the welfare funded ill might have to have some extra dosh if they need full-time medical machinery running.

Do they?

Do you know the owner(s) of this site?

OFGEM force suppliers to carry on supplying to people who don't pay.

That sounds very much in favour of the consumer to me, doesn't it to you?

pseudodox

My car sits in the garage 4 or 5 days a week.  So it is not using petrol, but I still pay VED and insurance in full and not at a discount.  Seems to me as others have said above this is the the most relevant comparison with energy supplies. And I can jump in my car at the drop of a hat and drive as far as I wish, or not.

Whilst all energy charges are higher than they used to be (seemingly) I am just grateful to have heat and light and water at the flick of a switch or the turn of a tap.  I don't have to trek to a water hole, carry lit candles around the house or rub two sticks together for cooking/heating. Those who don't want to pay SC have a choice - go off grid, buy candles and kindling.

Swipe

matt_drummer said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Swipe said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Swipe said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Swipe said:

Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.

Why would a person need that? It's not compulsory to open and read threads. 

because I'd like the ability to completely hide all threads I'm not interested in from the forum completely.

I can see how that would look tidier and make it easier to read, but what I don't understand is bothering to click and open threads that someone isn't interesting in.

Well, you need to read it first to find out.

I find "No Standing Charge Tariff" a very big clue.

I don't disagree with you.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, 

You are still here!

Only because people keep replying to me

QrizB

While I've not read all six pages, I'm sure by now we've reached some sort of consensus.

Well done everyone. Good job.

Scot_39

wrf12345 said:

The good news is that both the owner of this site and the energy minister are in favour of zero s/c tariffs, Ofgem have the problem of implementing them in a fair way - a novel concept for an organisation that seems to favour the industry over the consumer - so all we have to do is sit back and see what eventuates before this coming winter. I think that the conclusion will be that the only way to do it is to have the std tariff with a zero s/c, the retail companies still able to offer similar tariffs to what are available today but suspect that most will land on the old Ebico simplicity of zero s/c and one rate for all means of payment. Nothing could be simpler, Greener and fairer. High users have ample space to cut back usage to compensate for the marginally higher unit rate cost - their choice. A very small number of the welfare funded ill might have to have some extra dosh if they need full-time medical machinery running.

If you meant ML he is no longer the owner of this site - he sold out in 2012 according to 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18295587

Do ebico still offer exlcusively zero SC tariffs - you do realise 0p charge is explicitly allowed in the new rules ?

Others actually responsible for the UK market - clearly disagree with many of your other statements - like those also highlighted in bold.  So perhaps read their thoughts.

https://consult.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-supply/introducing-zero-standing-charge-variant/

Did you reed their proposals, respond to their call for feedback on stage 1 and or stage 2 ?

In fact much time in stage 2 is given to need for proper methods to be developed of protecting the poor and vulnerable from zero S/C tariffs and avoiding losses by being enrolled.

MouldyOldDough

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

No I don't pay VED - I get a 100% disabled exemption !!

powerful_Rogue said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

No I don't pay VED - I get a 100% disabled exemption !!

That's really all you took away from that post?

powerful_Rogue said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

No I don't pay VED - I get a 100% disabled exemption !!

That's really all you took away from that post?

Yes - the rest of it blurred into meaningless waffle

powerful_Rogue

MouldyOldDough said:

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

Scot_39 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

GingerTim said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?

Against my better judgement...

Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......

I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......

But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.

And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.

And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.

And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   

As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.

No I don't pay VED - I get a 100% disabled exemption !!

That's really all you took away from that post?

MouldyOldDough

Incidentally - is anybody else getting multiple copies of previous posts included with their own ?

GingerTim

MouldyOldDough said:

Incidentally - is anybody else getting multiple copies of previous posts included with their own ?

No.            

mmmmikey

MouldyOldDough said:

Incidentally - is anybody else getting multiple copies of previous posts included with their own ?

Is it possible that you're confusing never ending repeats of exactly the same points people have been making about standing charges for years with copies of previous posts?

(Serious answer - no)