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  • MouldyOldDough
    MouldyOldDough Posts: 2,694 Forumite
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    booneruk said:
    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    But you drive to the petrol station to fill up, I presume. No gas tanker is calling at your home every day to ask if you want filling up.

    I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.

    (but you may notice the petrol bill)

    booneruk said:
    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    But you drive to the petrol station to fill up, I presume. No gas tanker is calling at your home every day to ask if you want filling up.

    I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.

    (but you may notice the petrol bill)

    I give up -  you are clearly biased by your usage !

    If I was half as smart as I think I am - I'd be twice as smart as I REALLY am.
  • WiserMiser
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    Altior said:
    Altior said:
    booneruk said:
    Altior said:
    It's absolutely ballooned and the funds don't only go directly to supporting infrastructure.

    The ballooning costs of the standing charge mean that low volume users now have a huge chunk of their bill as a fixed amount that they can't influence. So a household of one pays the same as a household of ten. When the standing charge was a smaller portion of the bill, that differential was less material. 

    Everyone who uses energy should contribute to maintenance of the system, but it should be aligned with overall usage in my opinion. 

    Of course it should - why should someone who uses 1/4 of the average amount - not pay 1/4 of the standing charge - any more is wrong !
    It's not wrong, there are costs incurred with supplying energy which aren't smaller because of reduced use.

    What would a fair standing charge be for someone who owns a 2nd property as a holiday bolthole and visits 2 weeks a year? Nothing? a few pence? How is that property incurring smaller costs of supply?

    I fear this argument has been done to death around here and falls on deaf ears.
    Why do single occupied households get a discounted CT? 
    Because houses don't need to be taken into care homes.
    Because houses don't need to be educated.
    Because houses don't need to travel on the roads.
    Because houses don't use services (with minor exceptions, e.g. Fire Brigade).  It's people that use services.  The Council Tax tax should be based on the number of occupiers.
    Oh, wait...
    Your response doesn't explain why a household of one 'enjoys' a CT discount. It's not mathematically 'correct', ie it doesn't ensure that a single person doesn't pay more proportionately than an adult living in a multiply adult occupied household of the equivalent nominal value. They do. 
    It's obviously not your decision to implement or provide the discount, but in your view, specifically what is the justification for it?
    If you can't think of one, fairy nuff. 
    I thought I'd done exactly that, but I'll happily explain further.
    Properties don't use council services, people do.  The more people, the more that services get used, and the more it costs the council.  (A bit like energy.)
    So if there are two adults and three grown up children, all working, it's fair that they should pay more CT than one person living slone with only the state pension.
    The Community Charge meant that one adult paid 50% of the amount that a  two-adult household would pay, but the discount was cut back to 25% when the CC was replaced by the Council Tax.
  • debitcardmayhem
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    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    Yes but you still have to tax and insure it, wrong analogy. Repairing and maintaining your pipes and cables still cost the same as everyone else. Using your logic the neighbour nearer the source should pay less than you and the one on the other side pays more, or if you live on third floor of a block of flats then yours has to work harder to overcome gravity, than the ground floor🤣
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  • Scot_39
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    edited 15 July at 3:34PM
    GingerTim said:
    Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?



    Against my better judgement...

    Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too.  Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.
    And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.
    And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.
    And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.

    Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.   
    As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.


  • GingerTim
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    booneruk said:
    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    But you drive to the petrol station to fill up, I presume. No gas tanker is calling at your home every day to ask if you want filling up.

    I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.

    (but you may notice the petrol bill)

    booneruk said:
    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    But you drive to the petrol station to fill up, I presume. No gas tanker is calling at your home every day to ask if you want filling up.

    I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.

    (but you may notice the petrol bill)

    I give up -  you are clearly biased by your usage !
    Physician, heal thyself.
  • matt_drummer
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    edited 15 July at 4:47PM
    GingerTim said:
    Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?



    Against my better judgement...

    Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?

    Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......
    I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
    But you do use the connection as much as everybody else.

    Your connection allows you to consume as much electricity as your main fuse allows at any time you need it. The fact that you don't means your bills are low compared to somebody who consumes more than you.

    The VED on your car allows you to drive anywhere between zero miles and as many as your car could do in a year.

    As you use on average something like 3kWh a day and only want to pay your fair share maybe you could have a 0.50 amp main fuse fitted limiting you to a maximum of 125w of power at a time?

    Then you could pay a really small standing charge commensurate with your low demand?




  • Swipe
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    Swipe said:
    Swipe said:
    Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.
    Why would a person need that? It's not compulsory to open and read threads. 
    because I'd like the ability to completely hide all threads I'm not interested in from the forum completely.
    I can see how that would look tidier and make it easier to read, but what I don't understand is bothering to click and open threads that someone isn't interesting in.
    Well, you need to read it first to find out.
  • HillStreetBlues
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    Swipe said:
    Swipe said:
    Swipe said:
    Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.
    Why would a person need that? It's not compulsory to open and read threads. 
    because I'd like the ability to completely hide all threads I'm not interested in from the forum completely.
    I can see how that would look tidier and make it easier to read, but what I don't understand is bothering to click and open threads that someone isn't interesting in.
    Well, you need to read it first to find out.
    I find "No Standing Charge Tariff" a very big clue.

    Let's Be Careful Out There
  • matt_drummer
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    edited 15 July at 5:03PM
    Swipe said:
    Swipe said:
    Swipe said:
    Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.
    Why would a person need that? It's not compulsory to open and read threads. 
    because I'd like the ability to completely hide all threads I'm not interested in from the forum completely.
    I can see how that would look tidier and make it easier to read, but what I don't understand is bothering to click and open threads that someone isn't interesting in.
    Well, you need to read it first to find out.
    I find "No Standing Charge Tariff" a very big clue.

    I don't disagree with you.

    I mean this in the nicest way possible, 

    You are still here! :)
  • wrf12345
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    The good news is that both the owner of this site and the energy minister are in favour of zero s/c tariffs, Ofgem have the problem of implementing them in a fair way - a novel concept for an organisation that seems to favour the industry over the consumer - so all we have to do is sit back and see what eventuates before this coming winter. I think that the conclusion will be that the only way to do it is to have the std tariff with a zero s/c, the retail companies still able to offer similar tariffs to what are available today but suspect that most will land on the old Ebico simplicity of zero s/c and one rate for all means of payment. Nothing could be simpler, Greener and fairer. High users have ample space to cut back usage to compensate for the marginally higher unit rate cost - their choice. A very small number of the welfare funded ill might have to have some extra dosh if they need full-time medical machinery running.
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