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booneruk said:Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.
(but you may notice the petrol bill)booneruk said:Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.
(but you may notice the petrol bill)
I give up - you are clearly biased by your usage !
If I was half as smart as I think I am - I'd be twice as smart as I REALLY am.0 -
Altior said:WiserMiser said:Altior said:booneruk said:MouldyOldDough said:Altior said:It's absolutely ballooned and the funds don't only go directly to supporting infrastructure.
The ballooning costs of the standing charge mean that low volume users now have a huge chunk of their bill as a fixed amount that they can't influence. So a household of one pays the same as a household of ten. When the standing charge was a smaller portion of the bill, that differential was less material.
Everyone who uses energy should contribute to maintenance of the system, but it should be aligned with overall usage in my opinion.
Of course it should - why should someone who uses 1/4 of the average amount - not pay 1/4 of the standing charge - any more is wrong !
What would a fair standing charge be for someone who owns a 2nd property as a holiday bolthole and visits 2 weeks a year? Nothing? a few pence? How is that property incurring smaller costs of supply?
I fear this argument has been done to death around here and falls on deaf ears.Because houses don't need to be taken into care homes.Because houses don't need to be educated.Because houses don't need to travel on the roads.Because houses don't use services (with minor exceptions, e.g. Fire Brigade). It's people that use services. The Council Tax tax should be based on the number of occupiers.Oh, wait...
It's obviously not your decision to implement or provide the discount, but in your view, specifically what is the justification for it?
If you can't think of one, fairy nuff.I thought I'd done exactly that, but I'll happily explain further.Properties don't use council services, people do. The more people, the more that services get used, and the more it costs the council. (A bit like energy.)
So if there are two adults and three grown up children, all working, it's fair that they should pay more CT than one person living slone with only the state pension.The Community Charge meant that one adult paid 50% of the amount that a two-adult household would pay, but the discount was cut back to 25% when the CC was replaced by the Council Tax.0 -
@MouldyOldDough said:Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......4.8kWp 12x400W Longhi 9.6 kWh battery Giv-hy 5.0 Inverter, WSW facing Essex . Aint no sunshine ☀️ Octopus gas fixed dec 24 @ 5.74 tracker again+ Octopus Intelligent Flux leccy1
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MouldyOldDough said:GingerTim said:MouldyOldDough said:Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?
Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......But you I guess paid for the car - and unless its zero rated the VED too. Or your employer or the taxpayer (motability) might have.And you will no doubt service and MOT it, replace worn parts etc etc.And even if leasing - there is still a large fixed cost component to the PCP type deals.And the insurance is likely to have a fixed and a per mile risk factor.Zero SCs are not the solution to lowering bills - as Ofgem have made clear - without new funds - presumably from the govt i.e. taxpayers - all they are doing is shuffling from line 1 to line 2 on our bills - as useful as shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.As our energy bills are sinking under a whole raft of policy and net zero charges.
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MouldyOldDough said:booneruk said:Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.
(but you may notice the petrol bill)booneruk said:Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
I know. Get your gas supply capped off and then drive yourself to get hold of gas canisters. Problem solved!! No more standing charge.
(but you may notice the petrol bill)
I give up - you are clearly biased by your usage !1 -
MouldyOldDough said:GingerTim said:MouldyOldDough said:Here is my usage - why should I pay over 50% of my bill on standing charges ?
Let's put the question another way. Why shouldn't you, like everyone else, pay the cost of 24/7 connection to the grid?Because I don't make use of the pipework as much as (presumably) you do .......I don't have to pay for petrol for my car, when I'm not using it either.......
Your connection allows you to consume as much electricity as your main fuse allows at any time you need it. The fact that you don't means your bills are low compared to somebody who consumes more than you.
The VED on your car allows you to drive anywhere between zero miles and as many as your car could do in a year.
As you use on average something like 3kWh a day and only want to pay your fair share maybe you could have a 0.50 amp main fuse fitted limiting you to a maximum of 125w of power at a time?
Then you could pay a really small standing charge commensurate with your low demand?
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HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.0
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Swipe said:HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.
Let's Be Careful Out There0 -
HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:HillStreetBlues said:Swipe said:Every now and then I wish the MSE forums had an ignore thread button.
I mean this in the nicest way possible,
You are still here!0 -
The good news is that both the owner of this site and the energy minister are in favour of zero s/c tariffs, Ofgem have the problem of implementing them in a fair way - a novel concept for an organisation that seems to favour the industry over the consumer - so all we have to do is sit back and see what eventuates before this coming winter. I think that the conclusion will be that the only way to do it is to have the std tariff with a zero s/c, the retail companies still able to offer similar tariffs to what are available today but suspect that most will land on the old Ebico simplicity of zero s/c and one rate for all means of payment. Nothing could be simpler, Greener and fairer. High users have ample space to cut back usage to compensate for the marginally higher unit rate cost - their choice. A very small number of the welfare funded ill might have to have some extra dosh if they need full-time medical machinery running.0
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