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Parking Code of Practice Consultation 2025 - now let's see what happens

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  • Not_A_Hope
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    I hope you are right but the devil as always in the detail. If any additional £70 has to be justified when a payment is deemed overdue I don’t see how it can be for the initial DVLA fee of £2.50, or stamps and letters up to the conclusion of any appeal. These costs are included in the original maximum cost of £100 for a PCN.

    Unless of course PPCs start agreeing to actually shell out £70 to their ‘buddy debt collectors’ to start chasing the alleged debt after a failed appeal. ‘That is how much it costs us your honour’. Kerching.

  • cooldude255220
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    I think this is an overgenerous reading of it. I think the effect is to say it's capped, but just because it's capped at that amount doesn't mean you can use that as justification as to why it's fair.

  • Bazarius
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    The caveat is that the government has added a disclaimer in the Code saying their stance on both the parking charge level and the DRA fake add on is not an admission that either is fair or proportionate. They’ve left it to the courts ( and ultimately the CMA under the DMCC regime to determine enforceability. it still looks like business as usual for us .

  • Car1980
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    edited 21 October at 7:45AM

    The words "fair" and "recoverable" are important I think.

    How can it be judged to be fair or not without a factual breakdown of what it entails?

    How can it be recoverable without it being shown that they spent a sum of money?

  • canuk_UK
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    edited 21 October at 9:17AM

    The issue is not simply whether Accord possesses a certificate bearing its own name.

    The questions are:

    • Which legal entity is recognised as the ADR provider responsible for IAS decisions?
    • What functions does Accord actually perform?
    • Which entity employs, appoints or controls the adjudicators?
    • Did the competent authority approve the present operational arrangements?
    • Do those arrangements satisfy the applicable independence and accreditation requirements?

    The fact that two companies are legally separate does not prove independence.

    The government's response requires that the parking trade associations should not own or manage the day-to-day running of the second-stage appeals service. It also requires decision-makers to be free from industry affiliations and interference in their decisions.

    These provisions are relevant whether the IAS is operated directly by Unity, administered by Accord, or provided through some other arrangement. Merely creating a separate legal entity would not necessarily establish the independence the government requires.

    There is an important connection between the DVLA sanctions issue and the IAS allegations. The government's own consultation acknowledges concerns about bias, inconsistent decisions and evidential standards favouring operators. It has responded by specifying stronger independence requirements.

    However, that is not the same as independently verifying that the existing appeals arrangements already meet those standards.This creates two questions worth pursuing.

    First, can the government demonstrate that the existing ATAs have actually enforced their sanctions regimes?

    The answer needs evidence of complaints received, breaches established, sanctions imposed and action taken against persistent offenders.

    Second, can the responsible regulator demonstrate that the IAS is being operated by a properly authorised and genuinely independent ADR provider?

    That requires examination of the actual corporate arrangements and approval records rather than accepting an assurance that the service has been transferred to a separate company. The authorities should be able to identify precisely which legal entity is responsible for IAS adjudications, what authority it operates under, whether the present arrangements have been reviewed and how genuine independence from the IPC is ensured.

    Don’t hold your breath!

  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 21 October at 10:13AM

    But they can renege on that and it'll never happen, look at the new policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/box-ticking-consultations-scrapped-to-speed-up-delivery

    "For smaller slip-ups, like forgetting a parking permit, entering the wrong vehicle’s registration or forgetting to confirm it in the machine when parking, drivers will face a maximum charge of £20 on appeal."

    This will greatly impact the no-permit housing parasites (where they have the right to operate)."

    I'm in Prague this week, so only looking here for odd moments. But does the draft code even say how long that has to be on offer?! Not sure it does…

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  • Car1980
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    I'm in Prague so only looking here for odd moments. But does the draft code even say how long that has to be on offer?! Not sure it does…

    14 days.

  • yarpsnehpets
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    19. The Appeals Charter

    19.1

    The Appeals Charter sets out the following:

     i) Exemptions where a parking charge should not be issued;

     ii) Circumstances where a parking charge should be cancelled on appeal; and

     iii) Circumstances where the parking charge should be reduced to £20 for a period of 14 days.

  • yarpsnehpets
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    It rather seems to me, having read the document several times, that parking operators are going to have to make significant investments in camera technology if they wish to meet some of the new requirements.

    ANPR entry and exit cameras are simply not going to be enough.

    For example, the document states, "For the purposes of determining whether a parking charge may be issued, the time at which a vehicle enters the relevant land must not, without more, be treated as establishing the start of the contractual parking period."

    So, the operator will need more imagery which shows the precise time that the parking event actually started - in other words, hi def cameras covering the whole car park, not just the entry and exit points.

    Additionally, under 19.1(i) - "Circumstances where a charge should not be issued by a parking operator:"

    • where the driver is physically unable to leave the car park in time i.e. where they are stuck in traffic within the car park resulting in the driver exceeding their permitted parking period and grace period (if applicable) or where they have considered the terms and conditions and chosen not to park.

    Important to note that the above scenario is a scenario where 'a notice should not be issued' as apposed to a scenario where an appeal should be upheld - meaning that the operator must check video footage of the car park (at the relevant time) BEFORE issuing a parking notice.

    The only way they can do this is with extra cameras.

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