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Small combi that does low temp so doesn’t cycle

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  • Scot_39
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    Tanks have their limitations too.

    A modern small tank loses (waste at least in summer) 1kWh - a larger one nearer 2  kWh - per day.
    (That 1kWh over a third of my hot water heating in summer - as my shower and washing machine are cold fed).

    And that doesn't included losses in the boiler and the heating loop to from the boiler  / and the hot water pipes from boiler - in some homes longer runs with a tank. 

    If you dont already have a tank - finding the space for one in a small unit - can also be tricky. 

    And if you think your heating demand is likely to be too low - the heat transfer - effective power - on the indirect coil inside the tank drops off very quickly as a function of temperature differential to tank bottom / mid temperatures ) and if set too low - may not effectively heat the tank  to target temperature.

    This is only one persons tank and boiler set-up - but the fall off in temperature rise after about 10-15 mins and really slow rise towards the end - in his 1/2 hr 430pm to 5 pm boiler "burn" example demonstrates the problem with reducing effective power of the heating coil (its essentially delta T boiler vs tank water at contract surfaces) and boiler cutting in / out.  So average effective power goes sub the c3 kW mentioned above for those brands - which is average effective over the cycle.





  • QrizB
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    edited 15 June at 7:32PM
    doodling said:
    The solution is either to accept (probably quite short) cycling when heating or go for the lowest power boiler you can get with a stored hot water system.
    Hypothetically, and possibly not acceptable to the OP, you could borrow from heat pump practice and fit a volumiser tank to increase system volume and lengthen the cycle.
    The cost (in money and floor space) might of course be disproportionate.
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  • FreeBear
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    doodling said: The solution is either to accept (probably quite short) cycling when heating or go for the lowest power boiler you can get with a stored hot water system.
    Even with a heat only boiler, I think you'll struggle to find anything that will modulate below ~3kW. And if you do, expect to pay £1200 (plus fitting) or more.
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  • MWT
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    FreeBear said:
    doodling said: The solution is either to accept (probably quite short) cycling when heating or go for the lowest power boiler you can get with a stored hot water system.
    Even with a heat only boiler, I think you'll struggle to find anything that will modulate below ~3kW. And if you do, expect to pay £1200 (plus fitting) or more.
    We have a 19kW Vitodens (heat only) and that still doesn't go below 3.2kW.
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