Still registered keeper of scrapped car

Somniac

Bought new car february this year. Old car was beyond use. Dealer gave me discount for old one. Said he would take care of scrapping it. I forgot about it. ( My mistake)assuming he would get paperwork from scrap company. This morning letter from dvla fining me 100 quid for not insuring as I am still registered keeper. I have no paperwork obviously. Dealer has not paperwork as he says he did it all online. He is trying to get confirmation of car being scrapped. It obviously hasn’t been. Telephone DVLA waiting time over 30 minutes. Any suggestions?

Mildly_Miffed

It's the keeper's legal responsibility to do the keeper change, whether sold or scrapped.

Whether it was scrapped or not isn't your problem. You transferred it to a motor trader, so that's all you needed to do, either the yellow slip by post or online.

Now, with no paperwork, your only option is to do it by post.
https://www.gov.uk/sold-bought-vehicle

david29dpo

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

Neil49

david29dpo said:

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

Sounds like someone is using the car (uninsured). 

sheramber

If DVLA had been notified you would have received a refund if any unused  VED. 

Mildly_Miffed

david29dpo said:

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

News? Really...?

Continuous Insurance Enforcement started in 2011.
Since then, if it's taxed, it MUST be insured. If it's not insured, it MUST be sorned.

Taxed and uninsured car = automatic fine generation. Keeper's strict liability.
https://www.mib.org.uk/reducing-uninsured-driving/continuous-insurance-enforcement/

(Is SORN also news to you? That started in 1999)

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david29dpo said:

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

It is called Continuous Insurance Enforcement. Became Law in 2011. The MIB snitch you up to the DVLA, who issue fines as fast as their printers will go. (I'm not 100% how the MIB snitch you up, I'd have thought they tell DVLA about all the insured cars and a simple cross check against all live registrations and the SORN list will throw out uninsured un-SORN'd cars)

All vehicles have to be either declared SORN, and kept off the road, or taxed and insured all the time.

Fail to insure (without a SORN) = fine

Fail to tax (without SORN) = fine + pay the missing tax. (or clamped = pay release fee + tax or impounded = pay release fee + tax)

Drive a SORN'd car on the road (except to & from a pre-booked MOT) = fine

You get the picture- fine, fine, fine, fine, except driving a car without insurance = 6 points + fine.

paul_c123

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david29dpo said:

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

It is called Continuous Insurance Enforcement. Became Law in 2011. The MIB snitch you up to the DVLA, who issue fines as fast as their printers will go. (I'm not 100% how the MIB snitch you up, I'd have thought they tell DVLA about all the insured cars and a simple cross check against all live registrations and the SORN list will throw out uninsured un-SORN'd cars)

All vehicles have to be either declared SORN, and kept off the road, or taxed and insured all the time.

Fail to insure (without a SORN) = fine

Fail to tax (without SORN) = fine + pay the missing tax. (or clamped = pay release fee + tax or impounded = pay release fee + tax)

Drive a SORN'd car on the road (except to & from a pre-booked MOT) = fine

You get the picture- fine, fine, fine, fine, except driving a car without insurance = 6 points + fine.

Not "All", there are a few exemptions, but they're not worth mentioning.

Somniac

Yes. Fraid so.

Somniac

Neil49 said:

david29dpo said:

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

Sounds like someone is using the car (uninsured). 

Yes that was my first thought. I have the document for scrapping now dated May 2025.  🤨

Mildly_Miffed

Somniac said:

Neil49 said:

david29dpo said:

Do the DVLA give fines for no insurance?  News to me.

Sounds like someone is using the car (uninsured). 

Yes that was my first thought. I have the document for scrapping now dated May 2025.  🤨

OK, so you've got an end to your legal responsibility now - as of last month.

What does the registration come back as, on https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/