Pip/Application

door123

I am doing a application for PIP for my son. I am also at the same time doing a ESA credits only claim for him as well and have a GP sickness. 

Should I send this sicknote with my sons pip application as well as evidence as it says in the sicknote his diagnosis and has severe mental health.?

Another health professional suspects he has Bipolar 

Thanks 

TimeLord1

You could scan a copy as evidence won't hurt to scan anything that provides information about his condition.

The backlog on PIP is fairly large currently a lack of staff.

peteuk

The ability to work or not has little input on PIP.  What you need is to provide evidence of how the condition affects them, rather than they have the condition and cant work. 

rosewalk

It is useful to provide evidence of a diagnosis even though PIP is not awarded because someone has a diagnosis but the impact of their condition to carry out daily living activities and on their mobility but a sick note is not very helpful. It would be better to ask the GP practice for a Patient Summary Sheet which will include a brief medical  history, they can print this out so there is no need to see the GP. What other evidence are you planning to submit? 

door123

rosewalk said:

It is useful to provide evidence of a diagnosis even though PIP is not awarded because someone has a diagnosis but the impact of their condition to carry out daily living activities and on their mobility but a sick note is not very helpful. It would be better to ask the GP practice for a Patient Summary Sheet which will include a brief medical  history, they can print this out so there is no need to see the GP. What other evidence are you planning to submit? 

Hi 

Letters from the following professionals 

Pediatric consultant 
Community paediatric 
OT
Physiotherapy 
School nurse
Incontinence nurse
Orthopedic 
Spinal Orthopedic 
Dietician 
Gp summary 

Muttleythefrog

door123 said:

rosewalk said:

It is useful to provide evidence of a diagnosis even though PIP is not awarded because someone has a diagnosis but the impact of their condition to carry out daily living activities and on their mobility but a sick note is not very helpful. It would be better to ask the GP practice for a Patient Summary Sheet which will include a brief medical  history, they can print this out so there is no need to see the GP. What other evidence are you planning to submit? 

Hi 

Letters from the following professionals 

Pediatric consultant 
Community paediatric 
OT
Physiotherapy 
School nurse
Incontinence nurse
Orthopedic 
Spinal Orthopedic 
Dietician 
Gp summary 

In terms of evidence...

My advice would be include that which is consistent with the reported diagnosed problems and/or relevant disablements of the PIP activities. The more recent the evidence the more beneficial perhaps but in assessments they can use old evidence as they do for me.

In the completion of how disability affects him I would include, alongside description of the problems and how they play out in relation to each activity along with examples, a pointer to any key evidence that is directly supportive.

I think with PIP imagine trying to guide a supermarket trolley which may at any moment suddenly go in a direction other than that which you push it... take measures to make that less likely throughout. So underpinning the problems with established diagnoses is helpful... describing the disablements accurately and methodically plus with real examples (such as what has happened when the disabled person has tried to perform the activity) is helpful.. independent evidence that supports any of this is helpful (and while often assessors and DWP may ignore it or some of it, appeal tribunals typically will not down the line if required).

And remember the reliability criteria at all times... a person should only be considered able to perform a task if they can do so safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly, and within a reasonable time. So if someone can dress themselves appropriately but it takes 2 hours then that's not in reasonable time and so they cannot perform the task reliably.

Spoonie_Turtle

Muttleythefrog said:

door123 said:

rosewalk said:

It is useful to provide evidence of a diagnosis even though PIP is not awarded because someone has a diagnosis but the impact of their condition to carry out daily living activities and on their mobility but a sick note is not very helpful. It would be better to ask the GP practice for a Patient Summary Sheet which will include a brief medical  history, they can print this out so there is no need to see the GP. What other evidence are you planning to submit? 

Hi 

Letters from the following professionals 

Pediatric consultant 
Community paediatric 
OT
Physiotherapy 
School nurse
Incontinence nurse
Orthopedic 
Spinal Orthopedic 
Dietician 
Gp summary 

And remember the reliability criteria at all times... a person should only be considered able to perform a task if they can do so safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly, and within a reasonable time. So if someone can dress themselves appropriately but it takes 2 hours then that's not in reasonable time and so they cannot perform the task reliably.

Or as another example, they can physically dress themselves in a typical amount of time, but without guidance it's inappropriate for the weather or wherever they're going or they would put on dirty clothes, that would be classed as not being to an acceptable standard.

Or if they won't/can't get dressed or change their clothes without prompting, that's not reliably either.