Autotrader- is it me?

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Ectophile said:

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I know that, but I'm bombarded with youtube clickbait and other "news" articles claiming that EVs are worthless after 3 years, no-one wants to buy them, they loose 50% of their value every year etc.

This doesn't seem to be reflected in the asking prices though.

My EV lost 50% of its price in the first year.  Which is why I bought it at one year old .  But it was an old model and about to be discontinued.  Nobody was paying the list price any more.

It's a new market.  EVs are still finding their price.

...and whereas newly-launched ICEs don't tend to have big functional differences over their predecessor models, newly-launched BEVs do.

More range, more efficiency, faster charging - so people are more likely to want the newer-tech version, and that inevitably leads to faster initial depreciation for the outgoing models.

But remember - most of those new cars are financed in ways that insulate the first user from the depreciation. The upfront and monthlies included the expected depreciation, sure, but if the value's plunged faster than expected, it's not the user's problem. Manufacturers have also been doing their damndest to get their BEVs out there and on the road in volume, which further moved that apparent depreciation, because the financiers won't have been paying close to list.

WellKnownSid

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Ectophile said:

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born_again said:

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I'm getting this

They should be sorted by distance, but are in a random order, possibly sorted by who paid the most for their advert.

The lack of info and pictures is obviously down to the seller, I managed to find a couple that have the requisite info (heat pump & reverse camera).

tbh I'm shocked at how high the prices are, I thought they were pretty much giving EVs away now!

Why?
EV's are cheap to run. So 2nd hand are making good money now. Especially given the VED

Click on Filter/Search Make sure that under sort that Distance is selected.
Still get some out  sync, but that is retailers paying.

Someone did post a way of getting ride of the likes of Carsa etc a while ago.

I know that, but I'm bombarded with youtube clickbait and other "news" articles claiming that EVs are worthless after 3 years, no-one wants to buy them, they loose 50% of their value every year etc.

This doesn't seem to be reflected in the asking prices though.

I just fancied swapping my oil tanker Citroen on something a little more sensibly sized and slightly better built.

My EV lost 50% of its price in the first year.  Which is why I bought it at one year old .  But it was an old model and about to be discontinued.  Nobody was paying the list price any more.

It's a new market.  EVs are still finding their price.

Zoes - when they were still made - were around £32k new. I saw a one year old one with 12k on the clock at my local dealer for £19,500.

i haggled but could only get it down to £19k

Told the sales guy I was looking to pay under £15k. Laughter.  Coughing.  Security staff called.

But I persevered and found an 11 month old example in the top spec and colour, approved used, five year warranty, with 3k on the clock for just £13k. Free driveway insurance and a free tank of electricity.

If you just want an EV for a short city commute, the school run and nipping to Tesco's, there are a few delivery mileage Dacia Springs on Autotrader at £10,700.

I really like the Zoe, but the newer ones are only good for between 40- 60,000 miles before the motor bearings need a very expensive replacement. (Wouldn't be a problem for me if I got one with 10,000 on the clock, but the cheap ones have 30,000)

Son watched the bearing swap video - says it looks easy enough and wouldn’t mind giving it a go - rather him than me! 😂

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WellKnownSid said:

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WellKnownSid said:

Ectophile said:

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born_again said:

facade said:

I'm getting this

They should be sorted by distance, but are in a random order, possibly sorted by who paid the most for their advert.

The lack of info and pictures is obviously down to the seller, I managed to find a couple that have the requisite info (heat pump & reverse camera).

tbh I'm shocked at how high the prices are, I thought they were pretty much giving EVs away now!

Why?
EV's are cheap to run. So 2nd hand are making good money now. Especially given the VED

Click on Filter/Search Make sure that under sort that Distance is selected.
Still get some out  sync, but that is retailers paying.

Someone did post a way of getting ride of the likes of Carsa etc a while ago.

I know that, but I'm bombarded with youtube clickbait and other "news" articles claiming that EVs are worthless after 3 years, no-one wants to buy them, they loose 50% of their value every year etc.

This doesn't seem to be reflected in the asking prices though.

I just fancied swapping my oil tanker Citroen on something a little more sensibly sized and slightly better built.

My EV lost 50% of its price in the first year.  Which is why I bought it at one year old .  But it was an old model and about to be discontinued.  Nobody was paying the list price any more.

It's a new market.  EVs are still finding their price.

Zoes - when they were still made - were around £32k new. I saw a one year old one with 12k on the clock at my local dealer for £19,500.

i haggled but could only get it down to £19k

Told the sales guy I was looking to pay under £15k. Laughter.  Coughing.  Security staff called.

But I persevered and found an 11 month old example in the top spec and colour, approved used, five year warranty, with 3k on the clock for just £13k. Free driveway insurance and a free tank of electricity.

If you just want an EV for a short city commute, the school run and nipping to Tesco's, there are a few delivery mileage Dacia Springs on Autotrader at £10,700.

I really like the Zoe, but the newer ones are only good for between 40- 60,000 miles before the motor bearings need a very expensive replacement. (Wouldn't be a problem for me if I got one with 10,000 on the clock, but the cheap ones have 30,000)

Son watched the bearing swap video - says it looks easy enough and wouldn’t mind giving it a go - rather him than me! 😂

10 years ago I'd have done that easily on the drive & garage workbench.(I would have considered getting one with shot bearings cheap and doing them)

Now I don't feel like it. In another 5 or even 10 years I'm definitely going to be paying someone else to do it.

Ectophile

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WellKnownSid said:

Ectophile said:

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born_again said:

facade said:

I'm getting this

They should be sorted by distance, but are in a random order, possibly sorted by who paid the most for their advert.

The lack of info and pictures is obviously down to the seller, I managed to find a couple that have the requisite info (heat pump & reverse camera).

tbh I'm shocked at how high the prices are, I thought they were pretty much giving EVs away now!

Why?
EV's are cheap to run. So 2nd hand are making good money now. Especially given the VED

Click on Filter/Search Make sure that under sort that Distance is selected.
Still get some out  sync, but that is retailers paying.

Someone did post a way of getting ride of the likes of Carsa etc a while ago.

I know that, but I'm bombarded with youtube clickbait and other "news" articles claiming that EVs are worthless after 3 years, no-one wants to buy them, they loose 50% of their value every year etc.

This doesn't seem to be reflected in the asking prices though.

I just fancied swapping my oil tanker Citroen on something a little more sensibly sized and slightly better built.

My EV lost 50% of its price in the first year.  Which is why I bought it at one year old .  But it was an old model and about to be discontinued.  Nobody was paying the list price any more.

It's a new market.  EVs are still finding their price.

Zoes - when they were still made - were around £32k new. I saw a one year old one with 12k on the clock at my local dealer for £19,500.

i haggled but could only get it down to £19k

Told the sales guy I was looking to pay under £15k. Laughter.  Coughing.  Security staff called.

But I persevered and found an 11 month old example in the top spec and colour, approved used, five year warranty, with 3k on the clock for just £13k. Free driveway insurance and a free tank of electricity.

If you just want an EV for a short city commute, the school run and nipping to Tesco's, there are a few delivery mileage Dacia Springs on Autotrader at £10,700.

I really like the Zoe, but the newer ones are only good for between 40- 60,000 miles before the motor bearings need a very expensive replacement. (Wouldn't be a problem for me if I got one with 10,000 on the clock, but the cheap ones have 30,000)

Mine's only done 8000 miles, so it should be a while before the motor bearings go.  I wonder if they have fixed the problem on the new Renault 5.

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Ectophile said:

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WellKnownSid said:

Ectophile said:

facade said:

born_again said:

facade said:

I'm getting this

They should be sorted by distance, but are in a random order, possibly sorted by who paid the most for their advert.

The lack of info and pictures is obviously down to the seller, I managed to find a couple that have the requisite info (heat pump & reverse camera).

tbh I'm shocked at how high the prices are, I thought they were pretty much giving EVs away now!

Why?
EV's are cheap to run. So 2nd hand are making good money now. Especially given the VED

Click on Filter/Search Make sure that under sort that Distance is selected.
Still get some out  sync, but that is retailers paying.

Someone did post a way of getting ride of the likes of Carsa etc a while ago.

I know that, but I'm bombarded with youtube clickbait and other "news" articles claiming that EVs are worthless after 3 years, no-one wants to buy them, they loose 50% of their value every year etc.

This doesn't seem to be reflected in the asking prices though.

I just fancied swapping my oil tanker Citroen on something a little more sensibly sized and slightly better built.

My EV lost 50% of its price in the first year.  Which is why I bought it at one year old .  But it was an old model and about to be discontinued.  Nobody was paying the list price any more.

It's a new market.  EVs are still finding their price.

Zoes - when they were still made - were around £32k new. I saw a one year old one with 12k on the clock at my local dealer for £19,500.

i haggled but could only get it down to £19k

Told the sales guy I was looking to pay under £15k. Laughter.  Coughing.  Security staff called.

But I persevered and found an 11 month old example in the top spec and colour, approved used, five year warranty, with 3k on the clock for just £13k. Free driveway insurance and a free tank of electricity.

If you just want an EV for a short city commute, the school run and nipping to Tesco's, there are a few delivery mileage Dacia Springs on Autotrader at £10,700.

I really like the Zoe, but the newer ones are only good for between 40- 60,000 miles before the motor bearings need a very expensive replacement. (Wouldn't be a problem for me if I got one with 10,000 on the clock, but the cheap ones have 30,000)

Mine's only done 8000 miles, so it should be a while before the motor bearings go.  I wonder if they have fixed the problem on the new Renault 5.

Which is why a 10,000 miler would suit me, I don't expect to do much more than 20,000 miles over the next 10 years. A 30,000 miler would put me in the middle of failure territory by then.

WellKnownSid

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Ectophile said:

facade said:

WellKnownSid said:

Ectophile said:

facade said:

born_again said:

facade said:

I'm getting this

They should be sorted by distance, but are in a random order, possibly sorted by who paid the most for their advert.

The lack of info and pictures is obviously down to the seller, I managed to find a couple that have the requisite info (heat pump & reverse camera).

tbh I'm shocked at how high the prices are, I thought they were pretty much giving EVs away now!

Why?
EV's are cheap to run. So 2nd hand are making good money now. Especially given the VED

Click on Filter/Search Make sure that under sort that Distance is selected.
Still get some out  sync, but that is retailers paying.

Someone did post a way of getting ride of the likes of Carsa etc a while ago.

I know that, but I'm bombarded with youtube clickbait and other "news" articles claiming that EVs are worthless after 3 years, no-one wants to buy them, they loose 50% of their value every year etc.

This doesn't seem to be reflected in the asking prices though.

I just fancied swapping my oil tanker Citroen on something a little more sensibly sized and slightly better built.

My EV lost 50% of its price in the first year.  Which is why I bought it at one year old .  But it was an old model and about to be discontinued.  Nobody was paying the list price any more.

It's a new market.  EVs are still finding their price.

Zoes - when they were still made - were around £32k new. I saw a one year old one with 12k on the clock at my local dealer for £19,500.

i haggled but could only get it down to £19k

Told the sales guy I was looking to pay under £15k. Laughter.  Coughing.  Security staff called.

But I persevered and found an 11 month old example in the top spec and colour, approved used, five year warranty, with 3k on the clock for just £13k. Free driveway insurance and a free tank of electricity.

If you just want an EV for a short city commute, the school run and nipping to Tesco's, there are a few delivery mileage Dacia Springs on Autotrader at £10,700.

I really like the Zoe, but the newer ones are only good for between 40- 60,000 miles before the motor bearings need a very expensive replacement. (Wouldn't be a problem for me if I got one with 10,000 on the clock, but the cheap ones have 30,000)

Mine's only done 8000 miles, so it should be a while before the motor bearings go.  I wonder if they have fixed the problem on the new Renault 5.

Which is why a 10,000 miler would suit me, I don't expect to do much more than 20,000 miles over the next 10 years. A 30,000 miler would put me in the middle of failure territory by then.

They seem to get noisy around the 70k mark. The part is about £50 so it’s just the ten hours or so of labour. If you don’t have an EV qualified light vehicle technician for a son or £45 per hour family rates at your local main dealer - it’s likely there will be many more independents out there in a few years who will be happy to take on the job.