Deliberately vague

busybee100

IWIAWSNB said:

busybee100 said:

This is whats left of the  front

Again, it means very little as it is. And, again, we need a pic taken directly face-on to your houses, so we can determine where the exact mid point is. Have you determined this yet? Are your houses symmetrical?

Once you do, then you can add lines to these pics to indicate where the exact, true boundary lies. And then you can make your decision.

Thank you again for your reply.

I've checked our deeds and there's nothing specific mentioned about who has to maintain each boundary just a generalised the boundary on the east shall belong to the property etc.

We've had problems conecting the second camera so will have to try again.

I had another look at the back garden fence and I'm now thinking the uprights he stripped off could be where he has deemed the fence crossed the boundary to fix to his side of the post holding the patio panels. 

The low wall extends from their patio, we've no idea why it's there.

I'm going to have to shelve this for a couple of days, my husband cannot cope with me discussing it and he's got two days off.  He hates the camera alerts more than I do, they are having a significant effect on our mental health. The sooner Mr. A gets his compound finished the better!

Oh and I have cancelled the site visit for next Friday. Thank you, that alone has saved us over £1k.

Overall I am much clearer, it felt overwhelming, I didnt know how to prepare for the next threat but I can see now our position is sound.

Thank you.

busybee100

TheJP said:

busybee100 said:

TheJP said:

busybee100 said:

Sorry should say the previous neighbours son put the panels in and they are along the boundary.

Is the neighbours son, Mr A's son? Did he put in the fence panels along the boundary that is in dispute?

If he did then they own the fence and can take them down if they wish, a boundary does not have to have a separation to class it/satisfy it as a boundary unless something is specifically outlined in the deeds of both properties.

Hi JP

No not Mr. A's son. The previous owner of Mr A's house, her son. The son who apologised for selling to Mr A.

And I'm not contesting the panels are Mr As. I just dont want Mr A taking a strip of land off my property in the guise of replacing a fence.

Ok so im a little confused. The fence panels that are on your boundary side added by the previous owners of mr A's property (front or rear?) are the ones that Mr A is taking down?

The front fence which has been taken down by Mr A is both his and yours along a shared joining boundary line? 

A picture of satellite image and notes of which fence lines you are talking about would prove useful for us to better understand.

TheJP I'm so sorry I missed your post.


The patio panels are along the boundary in the back garden. They were put in by Mr As previous owners son. They are not on our side but along the imaginary boundary line between the two houses. Our fence is on our side until it crosses the boundary to fix to the post holding the patio panels on Mr. As side. They were all friends when the fence was put in no-one would have thought it was a problem. 

The gash along our front garden is because our previous nieghbour was an elderly lady who worried the contractors may damage her phone line so we left our fence in place and didn't put the parking space right up to the boundary so we didnt cause her any stress. It was our fence on our land. Mr. A offered to make good the land if we let him take it away but at that time he didnt know what levels he was working to. (His letters also claim we gave him permission and why would he!)

I'm hoping to get the survey dimensions this week. I don't know what form they will take as they were passed straight to the surveyor to write it up but I will post when I have more information.

Thank you for your reply.

WIAWSNB

busybee100 said:

Thank you again for your reply.
I've checked our deeds and there's nothing specific mentioned about who has to maintain each boundary just a generalised the boundary on the east shall belong to the property etc.
We've had problems conecting the second camera so will have to try again.
I had another look at the back garden fence and I'm now thinking the uprights he stripped off could be where he has deemed the fence crossed the boundary to fix to his side of the post holding the patio panels.
The low wall extends from their patio, we've no idea why it's there.
I'm going to have to shelve this for a couple of days, my husband cannot cope with me discussing it and he's got two days off.  He hates the camera alerts more than I do, they are having a significant effect on our mental health. The sooner Mr. A gets his compound finished the better!
Oh and I have cancelled the site visit for next Friday. Thank you, that alone has saved us over £1k.
Overall I am much clearer, it felt overwhelming, I didnt know how to prepare for the next threat but I can see now our position is sound.Thank you.

Pleased it helps. Yes, time to chill for a while - I do understand how stressful it is having a horrible neighbour who impacts on your life.

Just a reminder - the 'boundary' is an invisible line, and no-one owns it. 

If your houses are symmetrical semi's, then the location of this boundary should be dead easy to determine, and very accurately too. Everything on their side is theirs. Everything on your side is yours. That is it!

No-one has to 'do' anything about fences (unless expressly dictated in words in the deeds - and even then it's difficult to enforce). Deeds often have a suggestion or implication, and that usually helps neighbours to agree on a system; "We all look after the one on our right..." sort of thing. 

'Neighbourliness' usually obliges folk to do the 'right thing', but if a disagreement arises over this, then it's often best to just do your own thing, and fit a fence on just your side of this line, the backs of the posts just touching the line. That makes the fence all yours. The 'boundary' has not moved. 

Enjoy :-)

BikingBud

I feel the thread title is absolutely accurate in terms of the content so far. It remains to me very ambiguous. After 3 pages I am still unsure quite what the problem is.

There are images that could offer so much more in terms of assuring the most suitable and cost effective outcome can be achieved. I feel that both of those should be kept in mind as spending lots of cash only makes solicitors happy.

Simple lines of demarcation on the images along with a brief summary, our land, neighbours land, line of original fence, recently added fence etc would enable readers to ascertain the issue and enhance your position and  argument immensely. It would also ensure that if you do go to seek arbitration time is not wasted as you can concisely and clearly state your issue.

Do this and similar for the front side and we can then see the extent of the problem:

WIAWSNB

BikingBud said:

I feel the thread title is absolutely accurate in terms of the content so far. It remains to me very ambiguous. After 3 pages I am still unsure quite what the problem is.

There are images that could offer so much more in terms of assuring the most suitable and cost effective outcome can be achieved. I feel that both of those should be kept in mind as spending lots of cash only makes solicitors happy.

Simple lines of demarcation on the images along with a brief summary, our land, neighbours land, line of original fence, recently added fence etc would enable readers to ascertain the issue and enhance your position and  argument immensely. It would also ensure that if you do go to seek arbitration time is not wasted as you can concisely and clearly state your issue.

Do this and similar for the front side and we can then see the extent of the problem:

Perfection :-)