Letter of Claim Moorside Legal (Gateway House)

Mumof3grownups

I have received a LOC relating to an alleged no stopping charge in Dec 2022.
Just wondering if others have now had LOC’s and what the outcome has been.
Have you actually been taken to court and if so did you appeal/ what was the outcome.
i intend to us the templates again to write to Moorside but I am just trying to get my ducks in a row if they do send this to court.

Coupon-mad

You don't appeal a court claim. You defend.

We win 99% of cases here.  Moorside are new and their POC (in the Claim Form) are so poor they'll get struck out by some courts.

Is this just UKCPS? Nowt to worry about. What caused the PCN? Which location?

Mumof3grownups

Coupon-mad said:

You don't appeal a court claim. You defend.

We win 99% of cases here.  Moorside are new and their POC (in the Claim Form) are so poor they'll get struck out by some courts.

Is this just UKCPS? Nowt to worry about. What caused the PCN? Which location?

It was a "no stopping" charge at Gateway House, Piccadily in Dec 22. I honestly didn't see the signs as it was dark and I was a city I don't know very well. I must have stopped for 1 minute at the most.
Sorry new to all this court stuff. I can't find the original letter from UKCPS but have all the chasers plus a confirmation e-mail of my very first appeal (using the templates on this forum). Should I ask Moorside for a copy?

Gr1pr

No, leave it for now, let the opposition make mistakes,  just follow the advice given in the newbies sticky thread in announcements post 2

Its a well known scam site with hundreds or thousands of victims 

Coupon-mad

Mumof3grownups said:

Coupon-mad said:

You don't appeal a court claim. You defend.

We win 99% of cases here.  Moorside are new and their POC (in the Claim Form) are so poor they'll get struck out by some courts.

Is this just UKCPS? Nowt to worry about. What caused the PCN? Which location?

It was a "no stopping" charge at Gateway House, Piccadily in Dec 22. I honestly didn't see the signs as it was dark and I was a city I don't know very well.

I must have stopped for 1 minute at the most.

Sorry new to all this court stuff. I can't find the original letter from UKCPS but have all the chasers plus a confirmation e-mail of my very first appeal (using the templates on this forum).

We have an entire group thread on the scam of the nonsense 'no stopping zone' trap at Manchester Piccadilly. It ran from 2019 tp 2022 as we got so bored & suffocated by all the new threads about the same joke 'no stopping' rip-off:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6071461/ukcps-no-stopping-parking-charge/p1

UKCPS must have made a killing at the expense of the more naive Mancunians who were duped enough to pay!

Lots of images in that thread. Could be useful evidence for you. EASY CASE TO DEFEND.

The lines & signs there are wholly inadequate and immediate ticketing by surveillance cameras is unfair and even illegal & unenforceable because the whole scam is hidden, covert & unknown.

And there's no commercial justification for running this little trap road by ANPR or CCTV nor even making it 'no stopping' which is absurd for the site.

I will eat my hat if anyone loses these cases at court hearings!

If Moorside copy DCB Legal's MO then we'll see discontinuances of defended cases before hearings. Good for us, but a rotten MO that treats DVLA data as a bulk batch with an opportunity to monetise (never mind the facts, the case, the KADOE principles or the consumer as an individual).

That's unacceptable. Not least because under KADOE,  the data controller should be (IS) the PPC not the 'legal' firm.

Mumof3grownups

@Coupon-mad
Thank you for your help so far. I will update the thread with the final outcome as to be honest I was a bit frustrated last night reading all the requests for advice with little comment from the OP's on what the final outcome was.
It looks like UKCPS have started to push some of these to court - hopefully just as a test case to see if they get anywhere

Coupon-mad

They'll get nowhere. They're doing it as a numbers game. Moorside have even copied DCB Legal's old hopeless Particulars of Claim.

This is like debt assignment, in my view. You are just a number but worse than that: part of a batch they aim to monetise, regardless of merits of individual cases.

Apple2806

Hi all. Can I ask a very basic question on how you replied to the letter of claim from moorside legal?

I have replied through a customer portal on their website but should I also reply by post or email? I am struggling to find an email to reply too.

Coupon-mad

Email.

It's in the forum in other Moorside cases.

Mumof3grownups

I have now received a response from Moorside which is shown below. I don’t think this really answers my questions and is now referring to parking! 

Also their automated reply to my email said they would respond within 5 days. My email was sent on 14th April and they replied on 15th May. 

Any comments from anyone on this. I guess I just sit and wait for the court papers now.

Our client: UKCPS Ltd 

Our answers to your questions are as follows:

• The additional charge which has been levied on your Parking Charge of £70  is the amount set out in both the British Parking Association and International Parking Community Codes of Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery is required. Our Client adheres to the ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.
   
• By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the PCN therefore if we are instructed to issue a claim the reason would be for Unpaid parking charges/ breach of contract.

We have noted on your account you are seeking debt advice and have placed the matter on hold for 30-days. If you fail to make payment after the 30-day period has lapsed, we may be instructed to issue a County Court Claim against you. 
 

Coupon-mad

Yep just wait.