Subletting question

FlorayG

1. If they left and stopped paying, court would find in your favour because they clearly agreed to this in writing
2. no they can't without your permission and anybody they sub'let to would have no tenancy rights
3. yes you are correct

happy now? 

itwasntme001

FlorayG said:

1. If they left and stopped paying, court would find in your favour because they clearly agreed to this in writing
2. no they can't without your permission and anybody they sub'let to would have no tenancy rights
3. yes you are correct

happy now? 

thank you, this is all that I have asked for.

CurlySue2017

"But you want to have your cake and eat it." 
"Bad landlords give the rest of us a bad name; don't be one"

This, this and this again! 

Whilst you may be within your legal rights to do as you are suggesting, this is a terrible way of handling the situation and it could well make the tenants become less co-operative with you, delaying any sale 

itwasntme001

CurlySue2017 said:

"But you want to have your cake and eat it." 
"Bad landlords give the rest of us a bad name; don't be one"

This, this and this again! 

Whilst you may be within your legal rights to do as you are suggesting, this is a terrible way of handling the situation and it could well make the tenants become less co-operative with you, delaying any sale 

Happy to take that chance.  I have a guarantor, and I am not exactly desparate to sell (have ample funds).

As for the rest of your comment, I have been a great landlord, making a compromise with my tenants which I hope they are grateful for.  Unfortunately it is people like you who discourage the good landlords like me, thus wanting to sell.  The only people who lose out are the tenants, but thats not my problem.

sheramber

itwasntme001 said:

CurlySue2017 said:

"But you want to have your cake and eat it." 
"Bad landlords give the rest of us a bad name; don't be one"

This, this and this again! 

Whilst you may be within your legal rights to do as you are suggesting, this is a terrible way of handling the situation and it could well make the tenants become less co-operative with you, delaying any sale 

Happy to take that chance.  I have a guarantor, and I am not exactly desparate to sell (have ample funds).

As for the rest of your comment, I have been a great landlord, making a compromise with my tenants which I hope they are grateful for.  Unfortunately it is people like you who discourage the good landlords like me, thus wanting to sell.  The only people who lose out are the tenants, but thats not my problem.

You have ample funds but can't let your tenants leave now because you have a mortgage to pay.

See a contradiction there?

itwasntme001

sheramber said:

itwasntme001 said:

CurlySue2017 said:

"But you want to have your cake and eat it." 
"Bad landlords give the rest of us a bad name; don't be one"

This, this and this again! 

Whilst you may be within your legal rights to do as you are suggesting, this is a terrible way of handling the situation and it could well make the tenants become less co-operative with you, delaying any sale 

Happy to take that chance.  I have a guarantor, and I am not exactly desparate to sell (have ample funds).

As for the rest of your comment, I have been a great landlord, making a compromise with my tenants which I hope they are grateful for.  Unfortunately it is people like you who discourage the good landlords like me, thus wanting to sell.  The only people who lose out are the tenants, but thats not my problem.

You have ample funds but can't let your tenants leave now because you have a mortgage to pay.

See a contradiction there?

Sorry if I was not clear.  I will have ample funds by the time my mrotgage expires but not before.  Therefore I still rely on my tenants to help pay for my mortgage.

I hope that clarifies things!  But do let me know if you want to further pick at anything I have said!

subjecttocontract

itwasntme001 said:

Emmia said:

itwasntme001 said:

I shouldn't have to agree to end a tenancy just because I am scared of tenants not moving out.  they made their intentions clear to leave so I have no issues with them not leaving once the fixed term expires.

Furthermore, I have bills to pay including a mortgage, so it would also be inconvenient from that perspective.

I don't understand your post. 

You have tenants on a tenancy that they want to end early, on a property you want to sell... I can't see the issue. 

Is it that selling now is inconvenient due to mortgage fixes etc. so you'd prefer to sell at the end of their fixed period? Something else? If you don't want to sell now, then you can re-let?

Yes I am on a fixed term that expires later this year.  I do not want to sell before this ends.  I also am well within my rights to enforce a contract, that my tenants agreed to, and which I am happy to oblige with my end of the contract.

Seems incredibly stupid of some on here (not you) to accuse me of being a bad landlord.  Anyway, I have suggested to my tenants I will put the property on the market for sale, and they can leave once an offer is close to exchange.

From what I read I am well within my rights to enforce the contract and the tenants really so not have much say in the matter.

If the tenants stay after the fixed term ends then so be it, I can keep collecting rent.  But it appears a lot safe than having new tenants who might want to stay longer.  At least with my current tenants then have made it clear they want to leave.

Putting your property up for sale whilst sitting tenants are in place might be a problem. Your tenants are entitled to quiet enjoyment and that wouldn't normally include having various prospective buyers visiting and walking around the property whilst they are there. Even having Estate Agents, valuers or other sales people visit would be entirely at their discretion.....not yours. Good luck.

itwasntme001

subjecttocontract said:

itwasntme001 said:

Emmia said:

itwasntme001 said:

I shouldn't have to agree to end a tenancy just because I am scared of tenants not moving out.  they made their intentions clear to leave so I have no issues with them not leaving once the fixed term expires.

Furthermore, I have bills to pay including a mortgage, so it would also be inconvenient from that perspective.

I don't understand your post. 

You have tenants on a tenancy that they want to end early, on a property you want to sell... I can't see the issue. 

Is it that selling now is inconvenient due to mortgage fixes etc. so you'd prefer to sell at the end of their fixed period? Something else? If you don't want to sell now, then you can re-let?

Yes I am on a fixed term that expires later this year.  I do not want to sell before this ends.  I also am well within my rights to enforce a contract, that my tenants agreed to, and which I am happy to oblige with my end of the contract.

Seems incredibly stupid of some on here (not you) to accuse me of being a bad landlord.  Anyway, I have suggested to my tenants I will put the property on the market for sale, and they can leave once an offer is close to exchange.

From what I read I am well within my rights to enforce the contract and the tenants really so not have much say in the matter.

If the tenants stay after the fixed term ends then so be it, I can keep collecting rent.  But it appears a lot safe than having new tenants who might want to stay longer.  At least with my current tenants then have made it clear they want to leave.

Putting your property up for sale with sitting tenants might be a problem. Your tenants are entitled to quiet enjoyment and that wouldn't normally include having various prospective buyers visiting and walking around the property whilst they are there. Even having Estate Agents, valuers or other sales people visit would be entirely at their discretion.....not yours. Good luck.

Then if that is the case, no agreed sale before the tenancy ends, tenants therefore remain till the end and remain unhappy.  Can't have it both ways!!!

MeteredOut

itwasntme001 said:

subjecttocontract said:

itwasntme001 said:

Emmia said:

itwasntme001 said:

I shouldn't have to agree to end a tenancy just because I am scared of tenants not moving out.  they made their intentions clear to leave so I have no issues with them not leaving once the fixed term expires.

Furthermore, I have bills to pay including a mortgage, so it would also be inconvenient from that perspective.

I don't understand your post. 

You have tenants on a tenancy that they want to end early, on a property you want to sell... I can't see the issue. 

Is it that selling now is inconvenient due to mortgage fixes etc. so you'd prefer to sell at the end of their fixed period? Something else? If you don't want to sell now, then you can re-let?

Yes I am on a fixed term that expires later this year.  I do not want to sell before this ends.  I also am well within my rights to enforce a contract, that my tenants agreed to, and which I am happy to oblige with my end of the contract.

Seems incredibly stupid of some on here (not you) to accuse me of being a bad landlord.  Anyway, I have suggested to my tenants I will put the property on the market for sale, and they can leave once an offer is close to exchange.

From what I read I am well within my rights to enforce the contract and the tenants really so not have much say in the matter.

If the tenants stay after the fixed term ends then so be it, I can keep collecting rent.  But it appears a lot safe than having new tenants who might want to stay longer.  At least with my current tenants then have made it clear they want to leave.

Putting your property up for sale with sitting tenants might be a problem. Your tenants are entitled to quiet enjoyment and that wouldn't normally include having various prospective buyers visiting and walking around the property whilst they are there. Even having Estate Agents, valuers or other sales people visit would be entirely at their discretion.....not yours. Good luck.

Then if that is the case, no agreed sale before the tenancy ends, tenants therefore remain till the end and remain unhappy.  Can't have it both ways!!!

A compromise might have been to release the tenants, say, 2 months before the end of the tenancy, to give you time to prepare it for sale. But, if you need the money, you need the money. 

FlorayG

subjecttocontract said:

itwasntme001 said:

Emmia said:

itwasntme001 said:

I shouldn't have to agree to end a tenancy just because I am scared of tenants not moving out.  they made their intentions clear to leave so I have no issues with them not leaving once the fixed term expires.

Furthermore, I have bills to pay including a mortgage, so it would also be inconvenient from that perspective.

I don't understand your post. 

You have tenants on a tenancy that they want to end early, on a property you want to sell... I can't see the issue. 

Is it that selling now is inconvenient due to mortgage fixes etc. so you'd prefer to sell at the end of their fixed period? Something else? If you don't want to sell now, then you can re-let?

Yes I am on a fixed term that expires later this year.  I do not want to sell before this ends.  I also am well within my rights to enforce a contract, that my tenants agreed to, and which I am happy to oblige with my end of the contract.

Seems incredibly stupid of some on here (not you) to accuse me of being a bad landlord.  Anyway, I have suggested to my tenants I will put the property on the market for sale, and they can leave once an offer is close to exchange.

From what I read I am well within my rights to enforce the contract and the tenants really so not have much say in the matter.

If the tenants stay after the fixed term ends then so be it, I can keep collecting rent.  But it appears a lot safe than having new tenants who might want to stay longer.  At least with my current tenants then have made it clear they want to leave.

Putting your property up for sale whilst sitting tenants are in place might be a problem. Your tenants are entitled to quiet enjoyment and that wouldn't normally include having various prospective buyers visiting and walking around the property whilst they are there. Even having Estate Agents, valuers or other sales people visit would be entirely at their discretion.....not yours. Good luck.

Also, you will get interest only from people who want a property with tenant in situ and the concomitant reduction in price. Nobody in their right mind is going to proceed with a purchase for a home for themselves on the promise 'tenants have said they want to leave'; people will just say "fine, let me know when they have left"