Civil Enforcement

Coupon-mad

ThorOdinson said:

The pub manager has come back and said they won't cancel it but will ask them to reduce it to £20. Obviously I'm not paying anything since a) I'm not not the driver and b) they sent the notice too late anyway.

Great! 100% discount awaits, by a keeper (who wasn't driving) taking a non-POFA NTK to POPLA.

Could you show both sides of the NTK please? Redact your name/address & VRM & PCN ref, but leave all dates showing. I want to see if they've misled you about keeper liability.

ThorOdinson

Coupon-mad said:

ThorOdinson said:

The pub manager has come back and said they won't cancel it but will ask them to reduce it to £20. Obviously I'm not paying anything since a) I'm not not the driver and b) they sent the notice too late anyway.

Great! 100% discount awaits, by a keeper (who wasn't driving) taking a non-POFA NTK to POPLA.

Could you show both sides of the NTK please? Redact your name/address & VRM & PCN ref, but leave all dates showing. I want to see if they've misled you about keeper liability.

There is nothing on the back, it's blank. That pub is getting a bad review when this is all over. Fancy contracting with these jokers, and not having any way to sort it out when they inevitably make a mistake.

rachity

ThorOdinson said:

The pub manager has come back and said they won't cancel it but will ask them to reduce it to £20. Obviously I'm not paying anything since a) I'm not not the driver and b) they sent the notice too late anyway.

Yes, I too prefer to pay 100% of nothing.

Coupon-mad

ThorOdinson said:

Coupon-mad said:

ThorOdinson said:

The pub manager has come back and said they won't cancel it but will ask them to reduce it to £20. Obviously I'm not paying anything since a) I'm not not the driver and b) they sent the notice too late anyway.

Great! 100% discount awaits, by a keeper (who wasn't driving) taking a non-POFA NTK to POPLA.

Could you show both sides of the NTK please? Redact your name/address & VRM & PCN ref, but leave all dates showing. I want to see if they've misled you about keeper liability.

There is nothing on the back, it's blank. That pub is getting a bad review when this is all over. Fancy contracting with these jokers, and not having any way to sort it out when they inevitably make a mistake.

Please show the NTK. 

ThorOdinson

Coupon-mad said:

ThorOdinson said:

Coupon-mad said:

ThorOdinson said:

The pub manager has come back and said they won't cancel it but will ask them to reduce it to £20. Obviously I'm not paying anything since a) I'm not not the driver and b) they sent the notice too late anyway.

Great! 100% discount awaits, by a keeper (who wasn't driving) taking a non-POFA NTK to POPLA.

Could you show both sides of the NTK please? Redact your name/address & VRM & PCN ref, but leave all dates showing. I want to see if they've misled you about keeper liability.

There is nothing on the back, it's blank. That pub is getting a bad review when this is all over. Fancy contracting with these jokers, and not having any way to sort it out when they inevitably make a mistake.

Please show the NTK. 

That's literally all I received. That one letter, printed on one side.

I just got another identical one through the door today. Same PCN, same photos, same everything.

It looks like they bungled it so badly that they failed to send the very first one, which I guess would have been the NTK, and then sent the "reminder" twice.

If I have never received an NTK then presumably it's far too late now.

rachity

It's amazing how often the first postal PCN's go missing.

I wonder why

Coupon-mad

ThorOdinson said:

If I have never received an NTK then presumably it's far too late now.

Eh?

But the reminder says the first PCN was less than 28 days ago. What are you waiting for?

ThorOdinson

Coupon-mad said:

ThorOdinson said:

If I have never received an NTK then presumably it's far too late now.

Eh?

But the reminder says the first PCN was less than 28 days ago. What are you waiting for?

I don't follow. I never got the first PCN apparently, if they even sent it. I've sent them an SAR just to see what they have, if anything.

I didn't get a first letter, only two reminders, a day apart.

Now I'm just waiting for the outcome of the appeal I lodged with them. Should I do something else?

ThorOdinson

rachity said:

It's amazing how often the first postal PCN's go missing.

I wonder why

Do they think people will just capitulate and pay the higher demand, even when it's their fault that the first letter never came?

rachity

ThorOdinson said:

rachity said:

It's amazing how often the first postal PCN's go missing.

I wonder why

Do they think people will just capitulate and pay the higher demand, even when it's their fault that the first letter never came?

Unfortunately, you're looking at this through the wrong end of the telescope.

All they have to do is show that the letter (pcn) was properly addressed, postage paid & sent to you.

It is then deemed by law to have been delivered.....unless you can prove that it wasn't.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1978/30/section/7