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Email Reply from CNBC after submitting a defence against MET Parking Services

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  • Gr1pr
    Gr1pr Posts: 8,598 Forumite
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    paragraphs 2 and 3, not just 3
  • Simple_Sailor
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    Gr1pr said:
    paragraphs 2 and 3, not just 3
    Yes, I took the top of that defence and edited to fit the details of the POC
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,195 Forumite
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    edited 24 March at 7:14PM
    I did indeed use that defence as part of my defence, although it took some searching for as the sifting through the forum for "@shahib_02 defence" is a bit tricky to track down as its been referenced in several places but there is no direct link to the post itself.
    Yes there is. It's in the defence template linked by username. There's never a need to search when you have a username (their posting profile and ALL posts by them are obviously there!).

    Why are people searching when handed the username link? Have a look at your own username and what it shows. Have a look at mine. Every thread. Every post in order. 
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 24 March at 7:16PM
    Gr1pr said:
    paragraphs 2 and 3, not just 3
    Nobody is told to copy shahib's para 2 as it says they weren't the driver.
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  • Gr1pr
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    I tell people to adapt it and use it,  not copy it, presumably the OP adapted paragraphs 2 & 3 and copied the rest 

    People should never blindly copy without checking that the facts fit their own case
  • Simple_Sailor
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    edited 24 March at 10:41PM
    Gr1pr said:
    paragraphs 2 and 3, not just 3
    Nobody is told to copy shahib's para 2 as it says they weren't the driver.
    I was indeed NOT the Driver. Unlike MET parking services, I invested a lot of time to read and research the mentioned notes and references for the sections of law and regulations rather than blindly churning out a rubber stamped carbon copy.

    With regards to the link for "@shahib_02 defence" for a fairly new forum user that has come looking for information, just clicking the link only takes you to their Bio page where none of the analytics are clickable. Only after a bit of point and click over every section of the bio page do things start to become apparent. If you click the Activity box over under their Avatar, it just refreshes the page and doesn't show anything additional. If you click Threads or Comments then it refreshes the page and ONLY then sub lists either Threads or Comments.

    In this case, clicking Threads, only reveals the singular thread that S
    hahib started and it is easily missed if you don't scroll down far enough, as it is not overly apparent that anything has changed on the page other than doing another pointless refresh.

    As this is similar behavior to other clicks that reveal no additional information, it is easy to miss and disregard that anything having actually changed.

    Unlike other forums, this click to reveal seems to be fairly unique to here and is not overly 
    obvious for the new user/member, especially when there are several similar clicks that don't do anything.

    Either way it is obscure, just like many Private Parking Firms and their T&Cs
  • Gr1pr
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    Personally,  I have never liked the forum engine in use here,  neither have many others

    Glad to see that you are not the driver and stated it in your defence 


  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 24 March at 11:41PM
    I agree it's a bit hidden (MSE towers could make it easier!) but I use a football forum plus I used pepipoo forum for years.

    In my experience, threads & posts are always seen by clicking on a username. Normal for forums.

    There's no way I'm putting a URL link to the actual post in the middle of the Template defence because people would just click on it and copy it (regardless of relevance).

    It grates enough that we have to provide a template defence (at all) which I resisted for years. Only caved in because we were drowning in queries after DCB Legal invented themselves as the 'biggest bulk claim issuer' as if they thought that's a good thing.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • Simple_Sailor
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    In my experience, threads & posts are always seen by clicking on a username. Normal for forums.

    I agree that is my experience too but in this instance their activity isn't populated until you click the selection on the left that just look like a status tally rather than links to refresh the page data. I'm not sure if its some daft permissions thing for new users such as only being able to post links and edit postast after a certain amount of activity etc.

    I agree that a Hyperlink would lead to a lot of users looking for information to just click it and follow it as its the point and click reward for what you are looking, but it may be worthwhile drafting a template with this in specifically for the DCBL stuff.

    Whilst the resources are very good, due to the nature of all of the claims being individual and all of the operators being slightly different, it is still a little disjointed and confusing in some places. Whilst reading others experiences and their defences for reference etc this can lead to incorrect information from old posts and users going off in the wrong direction or asking questions that have already been answered.

    I am sure you must get frustrated with the shear amount of easily answered questions and mistakes of new and inexperienced users that end up here from a google search thats hit a post from several years ago.

    The 12 step plan is very good and you have that much knowledge on this subject that you could set up a website
    just to host the information in a clear and concise format that you can control and then just link back to that. It would be better than constantly answering questions where people have picked up outdated information from 2017 that you have no control over to delete on the forum.

    Coupon-mad's definitive PCN resource.com
    It would be better than all of these fly by night solicitors pages that give you just information to generate some hope and to get you to open your wallet and end up paying more than the parking charge is out of fear of getting a CCJ.
    A lot of rich solicitors out there just as guilty as the Credit Clampers.

    Just a thought. 

    Not everyone is clever and literate and there will be a ton of normal people that have been caught out that have no idea about how forums work or the internet in general that have come looking for help only to get caught in the tangled webs of Private Parking Charges.

    Below: What i see as a new user when looking for shahib_02. The search function brings back endless hits where its been referenced and it takes some time to drill down and find the thing you are looking for... if you know what you are looking for lol 



  • Le_Kirk
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    So they cant have their cake and eat it, its either the Driver, which i was not, or the keeper which is me and who they have issued the CCJ against.
    You don't have a CCJ. You have a N1SDT court claim form.
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