Query moving to new area Legacy benefits to UC

Spicedpumpkin

HillStreetBlues said:

Spicedpumpkin said:

Many thanks. I have a mix of IR and CB of ESA

Do you know the maximum time I have to inform HB and apply for the a new UC claim at all? 

I possibly (if all goes to plan and we like it ) and maybe moving from London to a place 4 hours away, and its happened very quickly without notice......and if there is a slight grace period of doing paperwork I would be grateful

Many thanks

You should  start your claim on the day you move into new property. When you leave your old property the HB should end, if there is a delay in claiming UC then you don't get the 2 week run on  as there would  be a break.
Also you did delay your ESA would continue until you claimed UC but you wouldn't get anything toward your rent.
You can start a UC claim up to 30 days before submitting that claim, but if you go over that 30 days you would have to start again.

Thanks . We are in a very unusual situation at present. We are currently in a London private rental in my partners name and if he dies I will be homeless. The rent is a lot a week. We have a possiblity of viewing and taking a Housing Assos property next week in a different part of the country. We have not viewed but basically this would be a joint tenancy for life for both of us. This has come out of the blue and lifechanging for us

Technically what I would like to do is officially move to the new property. Change over to UC.
However we have to sort of this house first at short notice (most will be done by me alone as my partner has health conditions) BUT Im not sure if I could clear the house in a month, (my partner has lived there a long time) which is probably the amount of notice I have to give

Is it feasible and allowed if the old landlord lets you have access to the property (to clear it) for an extra month if you pay for it out of your own money at all do you know ?

HillStreetBlues

There are certain circumstances you can claim rent on 2 properties one of them is you can't help with an overlap. So if you have to agree to he housing assoc property  and then had to give notice on your old one. But you do need to have moved into the 2nd property
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/claiming_benefits_for_two_homes

You can be renting 2 properties (I did that when I last moved) and not receive anything towards the rent for one of them if the above doesn't apply.
If you can only get help with one rent, then as the London rental will cost the most then the time to claim UC would be on the day the tenancy ends on that property. 

Spicedpumpkin

HillStreetBlues said:

There are certain circumstances you can claim rent on 2 properties one of them is you can't help with an overlap. So if you have to agree to he housing assoc property  and then had to give notice on your old one. But you do need to have moved into the 2nd property
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/claiming_benefits_for_two_homes

You can be renting 2 properties (I did that when I last moved) and not receive anything towards the rent for one of them if the above doesn't apply.
If you can only get help with one rent, then as the London rental will cost the most then the time to claim UC would be on the day the tenancy ends on that property. 

That is great. Very helpful to be honest. 
We would have to agree as soon as we see it and if not that's our chance gone. I never thought we would ever get a chance of a HA place so just hoping its 
I was worried we wouldn't be able to rent the 2 at one time for technical reasons I am quite happy to pay the HA rent out of our savings, as long term its a lot cheaper and secure.
I shall read the link you gave, thanks 
I have not got the UC migration letter yet so know I will loose the Trans Protection which is a lot, but if we like the new place its a better area and safer, it will be worth it. 
We were lucky to get great advice from Poppy and others before my partner was SP age, and managed to be a lot better off by doing some swops of our benefits. Although that was stressful at the time.

HillStreetBlues

Spicedpumpkin said:

HillStreetBlues said:

There are certain circumstances you can claim rent on 2 properties one of them is you can't help with an overlap. So if you have to agree to he housing assoc property  and then had to give notice on your old one. But you do need to have moved into the 2nd property
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/claiming_benefits_for_two_homes

You can be renting 2 properties (I did that when I last moved) and not receive anything towards the rent for one of them if the above doesn't apply.
If you can only get help with one rent, then as the London rental will cost the most then the time to claim UC would be on the day the tenancy ends on that property. 

That is great. Very helpful to be honest. 
We would have to agree as soon as we see it and if not that's our chance gone. I never thought we would ever get a chance of a HA place so just hoping its 
I was worried we wouldn't be able to rent the 2 at one time for technical reasons I am quite happy to pay the HA rent out of our savings, as long term its a lot cheaper and secure.
I shall read the link you gave, thanks 
I have not got the UC migration letter yet so know I will loose the Trans Protection which is a lot, but if we like the new place its a better area and safer, it will be worth it. 
We were lucky to get great advice from Poppy and others before my partner was SP age, and managed to be a lot better off by doing some swops of our benefits. Although that was stressful at the time.

You will still be entitled to  TP, yours will be classed as a natural migration (like mine as I moved to a different area) rather than a managed one (those who get the notice.)

Spicedpumpkin

HillStreetBlues said:

Spicedpumpkin said:

HillStreetBlues said:

There are certain circumstances you can claim rent on 2 properties one of them is you can't help with an overlap. So if you have to agree to he housing assoc property  and then had to give notice on your old one. But you do need to have moved into the 2nd property
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/claiming_benefits_for_two_homes

You can be renting 2 properties (I did that when I last moved) and not receive anything towards the rent for one of them if the above doesn't apply.
If you can only get help with one rent, then as the London rental will cost the most then the time to claim UC would be on the day the tenancy ends on that property. 

That is great. Very helpful to be honest. 
We would have to agree as soon as we see it and if not that's our chance gone. I never thought we would ever get a chance of a HA place so just hoping its 
I was worried we wouldn't be able to rent the 2 at one time for technical reasons I am quite happy to pay the HA rent out of our savings, as long term its a lot cheaper and secure.
I shall read the link you gave, thanks 
I have not got the UC migration letter yet so know I will loose the Trans Protection which is a lot, but if we like the new place its a better area and safer, it will be worth it. 
We were lucky to get great advice from Poppy and others before my partner was SP age, and managed to be a lot better off by doing some swops of our benefits. Although that was stressful at the time.

You will still be entitled to  TP, yours will be classed as a natural migration (like mine as I moved to a different area) rather than a managed one (those who get the notice.)

WOW really. I thought when we moved to a different area we would definitly loose it
And I'm sure it was near on £800 a month difference on UC when Poppy worked it out last year, as we get pension premiums and both on disability benefits . 
I better google natural migration as well now 
You have been so helpful Thanks again

KxMx

I thought natural migration meant a fixed TP element, rather than a custom amount bringing it up to previous legacy benefits.

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/get-support/information-for-your-situation/universal-credit-uc/additional-elements-of-universal-credit-uc

HillStreetBlues

KxMx said:

I thought natural migration meant a fixed TP element, rather than a custom amount bringing it up to previous legacy benefits.

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/get-support/information-for-your-situation/universal-credit-uc/additional-elements-of-universal-credit-uc

Yes, I was getting confused, TP for natural migration is only in certain circumstances and is a fixed rate

HillStreetBlues

Spicedpumpkin said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Spicedpumpkin said:

HillStreetBlues said:

There are certain circumstances you can claim rent on 2 properties one of them is you can't help with an overlap. So if you have to agree to he housing assoc property  and then had to give notice on your old one. But you do need to have moved into the 2nd property
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/claiming_benefits_for_two_homes

You can be renting 2 properties (I did that when I last moved) and not receive anything towards the rent for one of them if the above doesn't apply.
If you can only get help with one rent, then as the London rental will cost the most then the time to claim UC would be on the day the tenancy ends on that property. 

That is great. Very helpful to be honest. 
We would have to agree as soon as we see it and if not that's our chance gone. I never thought we would ever get a chance of a HA place so just hoping its 
I was worried we wouldn't be able to rent the 2 at one time for technical reasons I am quite happy to pay the HA rent out of our savings, as long term its a lot cheaper and secure.
I shall read the link you gave, thanks 
I have not got the UC migration letter yet so know I will loose the Trans Protection which is a lot, but if we like the new place its a better area and safer, it will be worth it. 
We were lucky to get great advice from Poppy and others before my partner was SP age, and managed to be a lot better off by doing some swops of our benefits. Although that was stressful at the time.

You will still be entitled to  TP, yours will be classed as a natural migration (like mine as I moved to a different area) rather than a managed one (those who get the notice.)

WOW really. I thought when we moved to a different area we would definitly loose it
And I'm sure it was near on £800 a month difference on UC when Poppy worked it out last year, as we get pension premiums and both on disability benefits . 
I better google natural migration as well now 
You have been so helpful Thanks again

Sorry as was pointed out was getting confused, TP can apply to natural migration but only if SDP is involved.

Spicedpumpkin

KxMx said:

I thought natural migration meant a fixed TP element, rather than a custom amount bringing it up to previous legacy benefits.

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/get-support/information-for-your-situation/universal-credit-uc/additional-elements-of-universal-credit-uc

Thanks for the link to that, also your help

So due to the fact we are on couples SDP and a natural migration we would get the rate stated of £475.79 ? Is that correct please

Spicedpumpkin

HillStreetBlues said:

Spicedpumpkin said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Spicedpumpkin said:

HillStreetBlues said:

There are certain circumstances you can claim rent on 2 properties one of them is you can't help with an overlap. So if you have to agree to he housing assoc property  and then had to give notice on your old one. But you do need to have moved into the 2nd property
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/benefits/claiming_benefits_for_two_homes

You can be renting 2 properties (I did that when I last moved) and not receive anything towards the rent for one of them if the above doesn't apply.
If you can only get help with one rent, then as the London rental will cost the most then the time to claim UC would be on the day the tenancy ends on that property. 

That is great. Very helpful to be honest. 
We would have to agree as soon as we see it and if not that's our chance gone. I never thought we would ever get a chance of a HA place so just hoping its 
I was worried we wouldn't be able to rent the 2 at one time for technical reasons I am quite happy to pay the HA rent out of our savings, as long term its a lot cheaper and secure.
I shall read the link you gave, thanks 
I have not got the UC migration letter yet so know I will loose the Trans Protection which is a lot, but if we like the new place its a better area and safer, it will be worth it. 
We were lucky to get great advice from Poppy and others before my partner was SP age, and managed to be a lot better off by doing some swops of our benefits. Although that was stressful at the time.

You will still be entitled to  TP, yours will be classed as a natural migration (like mine as I moved to a different area) rather than a managed one (those who get the notice.)

WOW really. I thought when we moved to a different area we would definitly loose it
And I'm sure it was near on £800 a month difference on UC when Poppy worked it out last year, as we get pension premiums and both on disability benefits . 
I better google natural migration as well now 
You have been so helpful Thanks again

Sorry as was pointed out was getting confused, TP can apply to natural migration but only if SDP is involved.

Thanks we are on the Enhanced disability premium couples and also the
SDP couples rates
Thanks for your help