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  • Pollycat
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    mj777 said:
    I am totally confused by everything, my head is in a spin.

    I think this is why MSE  closed this thread
    Anxious about news on benefit cuts - Page 2 — MoneySavingExpert Forum

    and made this statement:

    A gentle reminder that whilst people will understandably be concerned about speculation in the news, this part of the MSE Forum is devoted to helping people with their entitlement, and is not the place for wider policy discussions.

    I can also assure you that as and when there is any firm news, you can rely on MSE's news team and specialist writers for a practical down-to-earth explanation. 
    Official MSE Forum Team member.

  • mj777
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    Pollycat said:
    mj777 said:
    I am totally confused by everything, my head is in a spin.

    I think this is why MSE  closed this thread
    Anxious about news on benefit cuts - Page 2 — MoneySavingExpert Forum

    and made this statement:

    A gentle reminder that whilst people will understandably be concerned about speculation in the news, this part of the MSE Forum is devoted to helping people with their entitlement, and is not the place for wider policy discussions.

    I can also assure you that as and when there is any firm news, you can rely on MSE's news team and specialist writers for a practical down-to-earth explanation. 
    Official MSE Forum Team member.

    Thanks I missed that
  • Pollycat
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    mj777 said:
    Pollycat said:
    mj777 said:
    I am totally confused by everything, my head is in a spin.

    I think this is why MSE  closed this thread
    Anxious about news on benefit cuts - Page 2 — MoneySavingExpert Forum

    and made this statement:

    A gentle reminder that whilst people will understandably be concerned about speculation in the news, this part of the MSE Forum is devoted to helping people with their entitlement, and is not the place for wider policy discussions.

    I can also assure you that as and when there is any firm news, you can rely on MSE's news team and specialist writers for a practical down-to-earth explanation. 
    Official MSE Forum Team member.

    Thanks I missed that
    Let's hope that MSE put out a practical down-to-earth explanation soon so that people worrying about the impact on them can be (hopefully) reassured.
  • HillStreetBlues
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    mj777 said:
    I am totally confused by everthing, my head is in a spin.
    I am on UC and LCWRA does this mean I will be reassessed? if so when would any changes take affect. I am so worried.
    Thanks in advance
    You are not alone, there will be hundred of thousands now worried what their future holds, and if  they feel they actually have one.
    There are no extra assessments planed for LCWRA as the plan is to do away with it to save money. It is only what the Government is considering doing, some things can and maybe will change but no one knows what the final outcome will be.

    Let's Be Careful Out There
  • Muttleythefrog
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    edited 22 March at 11:03PM
    MSE_James said:
    Pollycat said:
    Let's hope that MSE put out a practical down-to-earth explanation soon so that people worrying about the impact on them can be (hopefully) reassured.
    I know our colleagues are preparing updates to the relevant guide pages at https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/benefits/ but it's not a simple job because the proposed changes are mostly intended to take effect at various points in the future, so we need to make sure what we put out makes a clear distinction between how things work today and how things are proposed to work in the future. 

    It's also the case that there's little to nothing that people need to do right now in terms of taking action themselves.

    In general terms, it's fine to post on the Forum to seek clarification about how proposed changes might affect you, but it's when that gets mixed in with party-political commentary - or suggestions that the Government ought to do such-and-such - that things get more problematic and posts might have to be removed. 
    I agree with your general points as too much is unknown and timelines subject to change but I would somewhat disagree with what I bolded for 2 reasons.

    1. It seems important to remind PIP claimants that criteria highly likely will be added to to make a Daily Living component award only possible with at least one 4 (or more) point scoring descriptor on top of existing criteria. For that end anyone undergoing assessment/re-assessment or facing option of challenging PIP decisions may want to factor in that to ensure that going forward they are on a good footing of claim with regard to Daily Living descriptors they have awarded even if they would be technically unaffected until another review. 

    2. An award of PIP Daily Living could be very important to getting the health related (currently considered as LCWRA) top up (element) of Universal Credit as the WCA is intended to be scrapped and PIP DL drive qualification. This advice to seek a PIP claim if one could qualify also was relevant under proposals of the last government who similarly wanted to use PIP awards to determine work related disablement and also scrap the WCA. There are significant numbers of people claiming ESA or UC with LCW/LCWRA who do not have a PIP award and how they would qualify for future health related element when the WCA is scrapped has not been specified in the proposals but the government is aware the issue will exist to resolve.

    But yes any guide right now is pointless and claimants or would be claimants of relevant benefits need to appreciate it is hard to give them any certainties when the sands are shifting going forward and we cannot predict their own individual case in future (disablement related) assessments. At the end of the day all we have is the Green Paper from earlier this week, a budget statement coming at around which time we'll get a better idea of who and how many are affected by proposals... and linked to the Green Paper is the consultation survey which I would encourage disabled people and other stakeholders to complete.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
  • housebuyer143
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    edited 23 March at 8:10AM
    MSE_James said:
    Pollycat said:
    Let's hope that MSE put out a practical down-to-earth explanation soon so that people worrying about the impact on them can be (hopefully) reassured.
    I know our colleagues are preparing updates to the relevant guide pages at https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/benefits/ but it's not a simple job because the proposed changes are mostly intended to take effect at various points in the future, so we need to make sure what we put out makes a clear distinction between how things work today and how things are proposed to work in the future. 

    It's also the case that there's little to nothing that people need to do right now in terms of taking action themselves.

    In general terms, it's fine to post on the Forum to seek clarification about how proposed changes might affect you, but it's when that gets mixed in with party-political commentary - or suggestions that the Government ought to do such-and-such - that things get more problematic and posts might have to be removed. 
    I wouldn't advise people to do nothing at all. There is a government consultation on the matter which is open until 30th June and I urge everyone to compete it so they can get a wide range of views before making the changes. 

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper
  • I'm so confused and terrified. I'm on PIP and ESA support group. If they cut my money i dont know what I'll do 
  • HillStreetBlues
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    MSE_James said:
    Pollycat said:
    Let's hope that MSE put out a practical down-to-earth explanation soon so that people worrying about the impact on them can be (hopefully) reassured.
    I know our colleagues are preparing updates to the relevant guide pages at https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/benefits/ but it's not a simple job because the proposed changes are mostly intended to take effect at various points in the future, so we need to make sure what we put out makes a clear distinction between how things work today and how things are proposed to work in the future. 

    It's also the case that there's little to nothing that people need to do right now in terms of taking action themselves.

    In general terms, it's fine to post on the Forum to seek clarification about how proposed changes might affect you, but it's when that gets mixed in with party-political commentary - or suggestions that the Government ought to do such-and-such - that things get more problematic and posts might have to be removed. 
    I wouldn't advise people to do nothing at all. There is a government consultation on the matter which is open until 30th June and I urge everyone to compete it so they can get a wide range of views before making the changes. 

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper
    Many subjects they are not consulting on
    • Scrapping the WCA
    • Creating a single assessment for PIP and the UC health element
    • Freezing the health element of UC until 2029/30
    • Only awarding PIP daily living if you get at least one descriptor scoring 4 or more points
    • Restarting WCA reassessments until the WCA is scrapped
    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-launches-entirely-bogus-green-paper-consultation

    Let's Be Careful Out There
  • housebuyer143
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    edited 23 March at 11:08AM
    MSE_James said:
    Pollycat said:
    Let's hope that MSE put out a practical down-to-earth explanation soon so that people worrying about the impact on them can be (hopefully) reassured.
    I know our colleagues are preparing updates to the relevant guide pages at https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/benefits/ but it's not a simple job because the proposed changes are mostly intended to take effect at various points in the future, so we need to make sure what we put out makes a clear distinction between how things work today and how things are proposed to work in the future. 

    It's also the case that there's little to nothing that people need to do right now in terms of taking action themselves.

    In general terms, it's fine to post on the Forum to seek clarification about how proposed changes might affect you, but it's when that gets mixed in with party-political commentary - or suggestions that the Government ought to do such-and-such - that things get more problematic and posts might have to be removed. 
    I wouldn't advise people to do nothing at all. There is a government consultation on the matter which is open until 30th June and I urge everyone to compete it so they can get a wide range of views before making the changes. 

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper
    Many subjects they are not consulting on
    • Scrapping the WCA
    • Creating a single assessment for PIP and the UC health element
    • Freezing the health element of UC until 2029/30
    • Only awarding PIP daily living if you get at least one descriptor scoring 4 or more points
    • Restarting WCA reassessments until the WCA is scrapped
    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-launches-entirely-bogus-green-paper-consultation

    I agree somethings they are not consulting on, but a big one they are.
    "11.Should we delay access to the health element of Universal Credit within the reformed system until someone is aged 22?"

    If everyone who this effects did the consultation they might get results that make them rethink some of the changes. 

    I'm not sure why they don't have a two tiered PIP. Higher for those who get 4 points in one activity and lower for those who get 12 points across them all. Then the Health element of UC is only paid to the higher rated claimants. I'm just thinking that I know many on pip who use the money to facilitate them working and they won't get qualify at all under the new changes so I'm not sure how they will continue to work without it.
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