Effect on epc

Spinybif

I need to swap two old storage radiators. Have a choice of conventional LOT20 or HHR. Property just makes grade c by 1 point.

Can anyone advise what the difference would be with a new Epc between the 2 types. 

FlorayG

I don't know what those are but if you are swapping electric storage radiators for electric storage radiators I think it makes no difference at all. Current EPC decisions are not made on how efficient your electric devices are

grumpy_codger

FlorayG said:

Current EPC decisions are not made on how efficient your electric devices are

Well, reportedly, "EPC assestments are often based on guesswork", but "the metrics used are focused on cost of heating". If so, how efficient your electic heating devices are can affect the cost and hence the rating. Even efficiency of your (electric) lighting devices affects the rating.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph-your-money/20250315/281586656373965?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ed-miliband-heat-pump-farce-173043909.html?

Don't know if there can be any noticeable difference in efficiency or storage heaters.

david29dpo

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

grumpy_codger

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Is it a fact?

Dropping an EPC band can wipe thousands off a home’s value in an instant, according to analysis by Knight Frank. The estate agent said moving from a D to a C could add 3pc value over and above local house price growth, equivalent to £9,000 based on average resale figures, while 80pc of buyers are said to be conscious of a home’s energy rating when eyeing up a purchase

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/house-had-perfect-energy-rating-then-heat-pump-downgraded/ 

david29dpo

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Is it a fact?

Dropping an EPC band can wipe thousands off a home’s value in an instant, according to analysis by Knight Frank. The estate agent said moving from a D to a C could add 3pc value over and above local house price growth, equivalent to £9,000 based on average resale figures, while 80pc of buyers are said to be conscious of a home’s energy rating when eyeing up a purchase

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/house-had-perfect-energy-rating-then-heat-pump-downgraded/ 

But in the REAL world?

ComicGeek

david29dpo said:

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Is it a fact?

Dropping an EPC band can wipe thousands off a home’s value in an instant, according to analysis by Knight Frank. The estate agent said moving from a D to a C could add 3pc value over and above local house price growth, equivalent to £9,000 based on average resale figures, while 80pc of buyers are said to be conscious of a home’s energy rating when eyeing up a purchase

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/house-had-perfect-energy-rating-then-heat-pump-downgraded/ 

But in the REAL world?

They definitely will if it's a rental property or could be sold as a rental property in the future, although still a long time until 2030 for things to change again...

But sensible to think about impacts of current expenditure, you wouldn't want to spend money now and then have to rip it out and replace it again in 5 years time.

ic

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Mortgage companies are starting to offer mortgages that are only available to more efficient rated houses.  At the moment the difference is minimal, but with time and the government leaning on them, that could be worth a lot in savings on the mortgage - never mind the energy savings.

grumpy_codger

david29dpo said:

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Is it a fact?

Dropping an EPC band can wipe thousands off a home’s value in an instant, according to analysis by Knight Frank. The estate agent said moving from a D to a C could add 3pc value over and above local house price growth, equivalent to £9,000 based on average resale figures, while 80pc of buyers are said to be conscious of a home’s energy rating when eyeing up a purchase

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/house-had-perfect-energy-rating-then-heat-pump-downgraded/ 

But in the REAL world?

Where do estate agents work if not in a real world?
I've bought a house recently, and the EPC was one of the important factors. 'E' I dismissed. 'D' - I thought about improving (insulating) and the cost of it. Obviously, this affected the price I was prepared to pay. However, I'm a very rational person, unlike many other people.

Albermarle

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Is it a fact?

Dropping an EPC band can wipe thousands off a home’s value in an instant, according to analysis by Knight Frank. The estate agent said moving from a D to a C could add 3pc value over and above local house price growth, equivalent to £9,000 based on average resale figures, while 80pc of buyers are said to be conscious of a home’s energy rating when eyeing up a purchase

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/house-had-perfect-energy-rating-then-heat-pump-downgraded/ 

But in the REAL world?

Where do estate agents work if not in a real world?
I've bought a house recently, and the EPC was one of the important factors. 'E' I dismissed. 'D' - I thought about improving (insulating) and the cost of it. Obviously, this affected the price I was prepared to pay. However, I'm a very rational person, unlike many other people.

From what I have read in this forum, many EPC inspectors are inexperienced, and ratings of properties are often difficult to justify/understand, sometimes with glaring errors.
So choosing a house on what might well be an inaccurate rating, is maybe not so rational.........

grumpy_codger

Albermarle said:

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

grumpy_codger said:

david29dpo said:

In all honesty, nobody gives a toss about the EPC

Is it a fact?

Dropping an EPC band can wipe thousands off a home’s value in an instant, according to analysis by Knight Frank. The estate agent said moving from a D to a C could add 3pc value over and above local house price growth, equivalent to £9,000 based on average resale figures, while 80pc of buyers are said to be conscious of a home’s energy rating when eyeing up a purchase

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/house-had-perfect-energy-rating-then-heat-pump-downgraded/ 

But in the REAL world?

Where do estate agents work if not in a real world?
I've bought a house recently, and the EPC was one of the important factors. 'E' I dismissed. 'D' - I thought about improving (insulating) and the cost of it. Obviously, this affected the price I was prepared to pay. However, I'm a very rational person, unlike many other people.

...
So choosing a house on what might well be an inaccurate rating, is maybe not so rational.........

This depends. It's a report with some details, not just rating.  'E' is typically some old house with solid walls that need either external or internal insulation. Even a cavity wall is questionable if there is no insulation inside. Retro-filling it with insulation is not for me.