VAT Receipts

wonderofwendy

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

DE_612183

does the receipt actually itemise the vat part of the sale?

Are you sure the "plates" - depends what sort of plates they are - are a vatable commodity?

user1977

Generally speaking there should be if it's a sale between VAT-registered entities, but I think it's permitted for there to be an assumption that customers are consumers and therefore not VAT-registered (seem to recall e.g. BT refuse to issue VAT invoices unless you're on a business tariff).

TheSpectator

Their T&C's state "we only supply products for domestic and private use. You agree not to use the product for any commercial or business use". So in their eyes you agreed to them and no reason to supply a vat receipt.

DE_612183

If you look on their website they say.....

"We only supply the Products for domestic and private use. You agree not to use the product for any commercial, business or resale purposes" - so I guess they don't have to.

Alderbank

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

PHK

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

wonderofwendy

DE_612183 said:

does the receipt actually itemise the vat part of the sale?

Are you sure the "plates" - depends what sort of plates they are - are a vatable commodity?

They were dinner plates and because brought online the order only gave the total amount and no VAT breakdown

wonderofwendy

PHK said:

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

PHK said:

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

No I didnt use a Matalan me card, interestingly when i purchased them online they charged me £5 each but when they arrived all had £3.50 each stickers on, so i have written to them about that

user1977

wonderofwendy said:

PHK said:

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

PHK said:

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

interestingly when i purchased them online they charged me £5 each but when they arrived all had £3.50 each stickers on, so i have written to them about that

Saying what? You don't have a right to buy at whatever price happens to be marked on the items sitting in the warehouse.

wonderofwendy

user1977 said:

wonderofwendy said:

PHK said:

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

PHK said:

Alderbank said:

wonderofwendy said:

I just purchsed online from Matalan some plates for my business. I emailed them because I needed a VAT receipt and was advised that because they are a retailer and nopt a supplier they do not give VAT receipts. They did supply me with their VAT number, so is it ok to use the recipt i have and just write the VAT numner on to it? I thought that is asked they had a legal obligation to supply one, or am I incorrect?

You're half incorrect.

They don't have to give you a receipt, whether VAT or otherwise. It's a very common practice but no UK legislation requires a seller to give any receipts to anyone.

You are correct that if both you and the seller are registered for VAT then they must provide you with a VAT invoice. It's a requirement of VAT legislation (the Value Added Tax Act 1994) because it is a fundamental part of the way in which VAT works.
An invoice is more than just a receipt, it carries more information about the transaction than just 'Sold x to y for £z'. Again, the necessary information is prescribed by VAT legislation.

The seller can have as many T&Cs as they like but it makes no difference. They don't make the rules - HMRC does.

Also, a full invoice is only necessary on goods over £250. A simplified receipt is fine below that. 

It's interesting if a retailer would be held to the rules if the person has misrepresented themselves as an ordinary consumer in order to get a retailer discount. 

Eg. If the OP used a Matalan Me card. 

interestingly when i purchased them online they charged me £5 each but when they arrived all had £3.50 each stickers on, so i have written to them about that

Saying what? You don't have a right to buy at whatever price happens to be marked on the items sitting in the warehouse.

I had a rely from their customer services and they saud as they were marked up at £3.50 thats what i should have paid so they have refunded me £1.50 a plate!