Outrageous private parking ticket. comments and advice appreciated.

fearbeag

I visited a car mechanic recently on Horsley Road which is a private Road in Northampton.The entrance was blocked so I stopped my car about 20 yards from the entrance, walked into the garage asked if the car blocking the entrance could be moved to allow me to enter which they did. I then went back to my car and drove it into the garage. Total time taken from stopping my car to finally driving into the garage was three minutes and one second.  A week or so later I received a parking notice. The garage was unable to help as they don't own the private road. I appealed the fine with the issuer and the IPC but they maintained that as I hadn't bought a ticket I was liable. I have now received a notice from ZZPS where they have added on £70 "administration" fee so it is now £170.00. Given that I had only stopped to have the entrance cleared I believe this to be outrageous. The fact that the issuer has passed it on to ZZPS without further contact since the failed appeal is in my mind simply creating a further revenue stream. My Questions are    1) .Given that the notice was "legal" but totally unfair, plus the disproportionate £70 admin fee, I an refusing to pay and will challenge them to issue a county courth summons, Could a County Court agree that although it was "legal" but extremely unfair, agree with me and dismiss it or are their hands tied.  2) If I write to say that I am happy for a county Court summons to be issued, can I state that given that I will not pay save for a count Court ruling that further communication will be considered harassment and a further ploy to increase fees, are they then obliged to either drop the notice or issue a county court summons. My concern is that they actually like people to not pay in order to ramp up fees as an additional  revenue stream. As it happens, I would like a county court summons as a platform to demonstrate why the industry badly needs reforming from these loathsome blood suckers. Any comments or advice would be appreciated             

Fruitcake

It is not a fine.

Debt collectors are powerless and can safely be ignored.

Which PPC issued the PCN?

Plan A is always a complaint to the landowner and your MP, and it is never too late to do so.

You won't get a summons because it is a civil (contract) matter and not criminal, but you may get a Letter of/before Claim followed by a court claim.

If that happens, follow the advice in the guide to court written by bargepole that you will find in the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES, and the Template Defence sticky Announcement that includes a twelve step guide, and a template response to a letter of/before claim.

Coupon-mad

1) .Given that the notice was "legal" but totally unfair, plus the disproportionate £70 admin fee, I an refusing to pay and will challenge them to issue a county court summons, Could a County Court agree that although it was "legal" but extremely unfair, agree with me and dismiss it or are their hands tied.

A Judge would agree with you.

But you won't get a 'summons' so don't use that word.

2) If I write to say that I am happy for a county Court summons to be issued, can I state that given that I will not pay save for a count Court ruling that further communication will be considered harassment and a further ploy to increase fees?

Yep. Bring on the claim form!

Which PPC is it?

fearbeag

Fruitcake said:

It is not a fine.

Debt collectors are powerless and can safely be ignored.

Which PPC issued the PCN?

Plan A is always a complaint to the landowner and your MP, and it is never too late to do so.

You won't get a summons because it is a civil (contract) matter and not criminal, but you may get a Letter of/before Claim followed by a court claim.

If that happens, follow the advice in the guide to court written by bargepole that you will find in the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES, and the Template Defence sticky Announcement that includes a twelve step guide, and a template response to a letter of/before claim.

Thanks for that. It was issued by NPM (National Parking management ltd) who I appealed to and also to IPC who also dismissed it. I understand from one source which may or may not be correct, that the landowner has little or no sympathy and it was he who had the cameras installed. it's a dreadful shameful situation and I feel sorry for the businesses along the road as I'm sure lots of customers are now afraid to drive down it in case of getting a ticket if they have to stop. I know that this is not a fine but simply an invoice. My concern is that they will keep increasing the "fees" simply as a means  creating further revenue streams by passing it on to ZZPS whom they were very quick to pass it on to and whom I'm sure will have a lucrative financial arrangement with NPM . That is why I will tell them to issue a county court precedings for the £100.00 which I will gladly pay if the judge agrees with them.  

fearbeag

Coupon-mad said:

1) .Given that the notice was "legal" but totally unfair, plus the disproportionate £70 admin fee, I an refusing to pay and will challenge them to issue a county court summons, Could a County Court agree that although it was "legal" but extremely unfair, agree with me and dismiss it or are their hands tied.

A Judge would agree with you.

But you won't get a 'summons' so don't use that word.

2) If I write to say that I am happy for a county Court summons to be issued, can I state that given that I will not pay save for a count Court ruling that further communication will be considered harassment and a further ploy to increase fees?

Yep. Bring on the claim form!

Which PPC is it?

Coupon-mad said:

1) .Given that the notice was "legal" but totally unfair, plus the disproportionate £70 admin fee, I an refusing to pay and will challenge them to issue a county court summons, Could a County Court agree that although it was "legal" but extremely unfair, agree with me and dismiss it or are their hands tied.

A Judge would agree with you.

But you won't get a 'summons' so don't use that word.

2) If I write to say that I am happy for a county Court summons to be issued, can I state that given that I will not pay save for a count Court ruling that further communication will be considered harassment and a further ploy to increase fees?

Yep. Bring on the claim form!

Which PPC is it?

Coupon-mad said:

1) .Given that the notice was "legal" but totally unfair, plus the disproportionate £70 admin fee, I an refusing to pay and will challenge them to issue a county court summons, Could a County Court agree that although it was "legal" but extremely unfair, agree with me and dismiss it or are their hands tied.

A Judge would agree with you.

But you won't get a 'summons' so don't use that word.

2) If I write to say that I am happy for a county Court summons to be issued, can I state that given that I will not pay save for a count Court ruling that further communication will be considered harassment and a further ploy to increase fees?

Yep. Bring on the claim form!

Which PPC is it?

Thanks for that. The PCC is NPM (National Parking Management ltd) 

fisherjim

They are just trying it on typical honeytrap by scammers I can't see a judge allowing this, using the word "legal" though technically correct, does not mean that they can claim the contract stands.

The Entrance signs are rubbish.

On closer inspection it says pay on Arrival, but you can't as the pay her signs are further down the road, and could be obscured by a lorry.

It then transpires that you need to download an app to pay on a mobile, which I defy anyone to do in 3minutes anyway.

Car1980

NPM don't do court claims very often and when they do they usually don't turn up. Ignore everything but report back if you get a Letter Before Claim from Gladstones.

fearbeag

Car1980 said:

NPM don't do court claims very often and when they do they usually don't turn up. Ignore everything but report back if you get a Letter Before Claim from Gladstones.

Thanks for that. I have no intention of paying unless of course a judge rules in their favour. I would actually like a day in court to use as a platform to demonstrate this as a perfect example of why the law on private parking urgently needs reforming

Half_way

plan A complain to the landowner and tell them to cancel the parking  charge, do not ask them to cancel, you are telling then to cancel, no please no thank you, just tell them they must

if they are nit co operative and if it goes as far as court, tell them you will hold them liable for their agents actions and you will seek to recover your costs from the landowner including your time at (for example) £17/hour

BikingBud

I blame these, I mean look at his socks and muffin top in the raiser: 



And his mat who might be his safety assistant being on the phone!

I wonder if they zapped the GE car?

That aside how do they acknowledge that you have not gone into the premises of one of the businesses, legitimately.

It seems like a ransom strip to me.

I would be adding a review onto the trust pilot of the business you visited to inform other potential costumers that they need to be very careful not to get (s)cammed.

fearbeag

BikingBud said:

I blame these, I mean look at his socks and muffin top in the raiser: 



And his mat who might be his safety assistant being on the phone!

I wonder if they zapped the GE car?

That aside how do they acknowledge that you have not gone into the premises of one of the businesses, legitimately.

It seems like a ransom strip to me.

I would be adding a review onto the trust pilot of the business you visited to inform other potential costumers that they need to be very careful not to get (s)cammed.

The point is, I had gone into one of the businesses legitimately Their own pictures (about 12 of them clearly shows a blue car blocking the entrance to the Business called Pitstop. The road is very narrow outside Pitstop so as a considerate driver I stopped my car about 20 yards from Pitstop, walked down to ask for the blue car to be removed which they did, walked back to my car and drove into Pitstop. Total time taken 3 minutes one second. They have more chance of flying to the moon than getting any money off me except of course if a county court rules in their favour. I really want a county court hearing in order to demonstrate why the rules need to be reformed