Nobody to sign passport photos, anyway out of it

Kim_13

I wouldn't be surprised if the disabled were more likely to not have a wide social circle than others. It generally doesn't help popularity. I don't know of a disabled person who wasn't bullied, so it's not difficult to imagine that becoming a lack of confidence (if it wasn't there already) and keeping themselves to themselves. 

Physical and mental health problems will naturally make it more difficult to maintain a social circle than if those issues didn't exist.

We ought to be able to assist those with UK birth or adoption certificates who fall through the cracks of the published list. We have a proud record of helping people and shouldn't further isolate citizens. If it takes longer to process, or many other forms of ID are required to support an application, fair enough but for some, it would be easier to agree to be identified via DNA/dental records/fingerprints/literally anything else than to find an acceptable signatory.

Vehicles are dangerous in the wrong hands, so I wouldn't say people not being who they say they are is less of an issue for everything that isn't a passport. Licences became photo ID to combat impersonation.

Emmia

Kim_13 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if the disabled were more likely to not have a wide social circle than others. It generally doesn't help popularity. I don't know of a disabled person who wasn't bullied, so it's not difficult to imagine that becoming a lack of confidence (if it wasn't there already) and keeping themselves to themselves. 

Physical and mental health problems will naturally make it more difficult to maintain a social circle than if those issues didn't exist.

We ought to be able to assist those with UK birth or adoption certificates who fall through the cracks of the published list. We have a proud record of helping people and shouldn't further isolate citizens. If it takes longer to process, or many other forms of ID are required to support an application, fair enough but for some, it would be easier to agree to be identified via DNA/dental records/fingerprints/literally anything else than to find an acceptable signatory.

Vehicles are dangerous in the wrong hands, so I wouldn't say people not being who they say they are is less of an issue for everything that isn't a passport. Licences became photo ID to combat impersonation.

The UK has no formal ID card, including driving licences, so whilst commonly accepted as ID a driving licence isn't an ID card. Personally I think a formal system of proper ID that we must all carry would resolve issues around things like access to NHS care, but people don't want this.

Being bullied as a child doesn't stop someone having friends as an adult... And plenty of non-disabled people were also bullied. Being disabled doesn't stop you knowing people who fulfil the criteria for being able to verify a photo.

NoodleDoodleMan

la531983 said:

brianposter said:

"If you have a disability that means you cannot meet the passport photo rules, give details in your application and send evidence."

Is the above sentence difficult to understand ?

You seem to be misunderstanding it. "Not having a wide social circle" has absolutely bob all to do with being disabled.

Indeed.

We've had very similar threads in the not too distant past from individuals having an issue with a passport application because they are unable to find somebody suitably qualified to verify the identification requirements.

Health issues or disabilities did not come into the discussion, rightly so.

brianposter

NoodleDoodleMan said:

la531983 said:

brianposter said:

"If you have a disability that means you cannot meet the passport photo rules, give details in your application and send evidence."

Is the above sentence difficult to understand ?

You seem to be misunderstanding it. "Not having a wide social circle" has absolutely bob all to do with being disabled.

Indeed.

We've had very similar threads in the not too distant past from individuals having an issue with a passport application because they are unable to find somebody suitably qualified to verify the identification requirements.

Health issues or disabilities did not come into the discussion, rightly so.

The law says that, as far as public sector bodies are concerned, disabilities MUST come into the discussion.

"

1. S.149(4) of the Act states that the steps involved in meeting the needs of disabled people include steps to take account of disabled people’s disabilities. This emphasises the fact that equality of opportunity for disabled people cannot be achieved simply by treating disabled and
   non-disabled people alike. This principle is recognised in the Act through the duty to provide reasonable adjustments.

2. The Act contains a number of provisions allowing steps to be taken to take account of disabled people’s disabilities. They make it lawful to treat a disabled person more favourably than a non-disabled person. ................................................................."

Emmia

brianposter said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

la531983 said:

brianposter said:

"If you have a disability that means you cannot meet the passport photo rules, give details in your application and send evidence."

Is the above sentence difficult to understand ?

You seem to be misunderstanding it. "Not having a wide social circle" has absolutely bob all to do with being disabled.

Indeed.

We've had very similar threads in the not too distant past from individuals having an issue with a passport application because they are unable to find somebody suitably qualified to verify the identification requirements.

Health issues or disabilities did not come into the discussion, rightly so.

The law says that, as far as public sector bodies are concerned, disabilities MUST come into the discussion.

"

1. S.149(4) of the Act states that the steps involved in meeting the needs of disabled people include steps to take account of disabled people’s disabilities. This emphasises the fact that equality of opportunity for disabled people cannot be achieved simply by treating disabled and
   non-disabled people alike. This principle is recognised in the Act through the duty to provide reasonable adjustments.

2. The Act contains a number of provisions allowing steps to be taken to take account of disabled people’s disabilities. They make it lawful to treat a disabled person more favourably than a non-disabled person. ................................................................."

Being a hermit/not being a social butterfly/not knowing many people isn't a disability though, it's a social choice.

brianposter

Try getting a pair of ostomy bags fitted, They will obviously provide an additional subject for conversation, but I doubt that they will do much to enhance your social life.

sheramber

brianposter said:

Try getting a pair of ostomy bags fitted, They will obviously provide an additional subject for conversation, but I doubt that they will do much to enhance your social life.

But they would not necessarily inhibit it. 

Again, that is down to the personality of the person, not due to  a disability.

Hiwver, none of this is relevant to the OP’s position  and has derailed the thread.

NoodleDoodleMan

"The law says that, as far as public sector bodies are concerned, disabilities MUST come into the discussion."

That's legislation to prevent unlawful discrimination, however there's none of that in this scenario.

ev8

brianposter said:

Even the Passport Office has published a list of adjustments.

https://www.gov.uk/passport-services-disabled

Thank you for this, I will call them tomorrow and see if this can help. I don't want this thread closed, so if possible would like it to remain open.

ev8

la531983 said:

brianposter said:

"If you have a disability that means you cannot meet the passport photo rules, give details in your application and send evidence."

Is the above sentence difficult to understand ?

You seem to be misunderstanding it. "Not having a wide social circle" has absolutely bob all to do with being disabled.

I have to say, the tone of some of the posters is less than understanding and dismissive at best.

To you, and the other posters here who have said "being a hermit is not a disability", well you have a very narrow scope of all that disabilities involve and I would like to point you towards extremely complex mental health disorders that means socialising and holding relationships for a number of years are extremely difficult. 

I know it's difficult to see beyond your own scope, but there it is. I have many disabilities, physical and mental, and the physical has help me back from socialising with others but the mental side has meant any friendships or relationships that start up I've been unable to hold onto. 

A bit of understanding, and also, why the need to argue, just move on from the thread if you don't like it that much.

All that to say, I'd like this to remain open and should it work I can update for those who have tried so hard to actually help me.

Thank you to those people, to the others, a little understanding please.