Speed enforced before sign

Megdrim

TooManyPoints said:

I don't know how much more specific assistance can be provided.

HADECS3 cameras are usually mounted on the nearside support column of the gantry which displays the speed limit. It is physically impossible for them to take photos of vehicles before they have reached the gantry. They use a dual radar system to measure the vehicle's speed a short distance beyond the gantry and take photographs whilst the vehicle is within that area. 

The photo which he has which is taken before the gantry is simply to provide evidence of the prevailing limit. Nothing in that area plays any part in the speed measurement process.

In the first photo, when it is greatly enlarged, under the first two columns of text in the top left corner, there appears to be two ghostly illuminated shapes. I cannot make out what they are but perhaps it is those which he considers to be the gantry under which he had just passed.

The OP is quite convinced he is right and that his speed has been measured before he reached the gantry. The only place to settle that argument is in court.

I used camera team contact site from manchester police and i asked for exact time of each photo. I got number for my request. If they answer and i had right about i will go in court if they dont answer i will go in court to find out the truth and i will tell to magistrate i cant admit guilt in absence of their evidence.
Honestly i don't know how the hell happen i was trying hard to respect all the speed limits. Still i recall the car next to me and the double flash and i remember we slow down before gantry and after this i overtake him and he never was in front of me anymore. My car its in speed lane and in in front of me its another white one.

MikeJXE

What are you calling the speed lane ?

There is no such definition on any road

Car_54

Megdrim said:

TooManyPoints said:

I don't know how much more specific assistance can be provided.

HADECS3 cameras are usually mounted on the nearside support column of the gantry which displays the speed limit. It is physically impossible for them to take photos of vehicles before they have reached the gantry. They use a dual radar system to measure the vehicle's speed a short distance beyond the gantry and take photographs whilst the vehicle is within that area. 

The photo which he has which is taken before the gantry is simply to provide evidence of the prevailing limit. Nothing in that area plays any part in the speed measurement process.

In the first photo, when it is greatly enlarged, under the first two columns of text in the top left corner, there appears to be two ghostly illuminated shapes. I cannot make out what they are but perhaps it is those which he considers to be the gantry under which he had just passed.

The OP is quite convinced he is right and that his speed has been measured before he reached the gantry. The only place to settle that argument is in court.

I used camera team contact site from manchester police and i asked for exact time of each photo. I got number for my request. If they answer and i had right about i will go in court if they dont answer i will go in court to find out the truth and i will tell to magistrate i cant admit guilt in absence of their evidence.

If you opt for court, you will be provided with the evidence in advance of the trial.  You can then change your plea to guilty if appropriate.

However, you'd have lost the option of the £100 fixed penalty. 

Hoenir

I wouldn't advise wasting a court's time. They've the ability to impose further greater penalties. 

photome

Megdrim said:

TooManyPoints said:

I don't know how much more specific assistance can be provided.

HADECS3 cameras are usually mounted on the nearside support column of the gantry which displays the speed limit. It is physically impossible for them to take photos of vehicles before they have reached the gantry. They use a dual radar system to measure the vehicle's speed a short distance beyond the gantry and take photographs whilst the vehicle is within that area. 

The photo which he has which is taken before the gantry is simply to provide evidence of the prevailing limit. Nothing in that area plays any part in the speed measurement process.

In the first photo, when it is greatly enlarged, under the first two columns of text in the top left corner, there appears to be two ghostly illuminated shapes. I cannot make out what they are but perhaps it is those which he considers to be the gantry under which he had just passed.

The OP is quite convinced he is right and that his speed has been measured before he reached the gantry. The only place to settle that argument is in court.

I used camera team contact site from manchester police and i asked for exact time of each photo. I got number for my request. If they answer and i had right about i will go in court if they dont answer i will go in court to find out the truth and i will tell to magistrate i cant admit guilt in absence of their evidence.
Honestly i don't know how the hell happen i was trying hard to respect all the speed limits. Still i recall the car next to me and the double flash and i remember we slow down before gantry and after this i overtake him and he never was in front of me anymore. My car its in speed lane and in in front of me its another white one.

You have the evidence , so not sure how you can go to court and say otherwise

Car_54

photome said:

Megdrim said:

TooManyPoints said:

I don't know how much more specific assistance can be provided.

HADECS3 cameras are usually mounted on the nearside support column of the gantry which displays the speed limit. It is physically impossible for them to take photos of vehicles before they have reached the gantry. They use a dual radar system to measure the vehicle's speed a short distance beyond the gantry and take photographs whilst the vehicle is within that area. 

The photo which he has which is taken before the gantry is simply to provide evidence of the prevailing limit. Nothing in that area plays any part in the speed measurement process.

In the first photo, when it is greatly enlarged, under the first two columns of text in the top left corner, there appears to be two ghostly illuminated shapes. I cannot make out what they are but perhaps it is those which he considers to be the gantry under which he had just passed.

The OP is quite convinced he is right and that his speed has been measured before he reached the gantry. The only place to settle that argument is in court.

I used camera team contact site from manchester police and i asked for exact time of each photo. I got number for my request. If they answer and i had right about i will go in court if they dont answer i will go in court to find out the truth and i will tell to magistrate i cant admit guilt in absence of their evidence.
Honestly i don't know how the hell happen i was trying hard to respect all the speed limits. Still i recall the car next to me and the double flash and i remember we slow down before gantry and after this i overtake him and he never was in front of me anymore. My car its in speed lane and in in front of me its another white one.

You have the evidence , so not sure how you can go to court and say otherwise

He hasn't. He has 3 photos, which may or may not be those used in evidence.  

But he will get the actual evidence pack (which will include a witness statement explaining the photos) before he goes to court.

Megdrim

MikeJXE said:

What are you calling the speed lane ?

There is no such definition on any road

On motorway usually right lane its for overtaking only. I call that speed lane

TooManyPoints

How fast was the car you overtook going then?

MikeJXE

What’s the middle lane for then ?

Iceweasel

Megdrim said:

MikeJXE said:

What are you calling the speed lane ?

There is no such definition on any road

On motorway usually right lane its for overtaking only. I call that speed lane

So with the same thinking the left lane will be the 'slow lane' then???

Not good.