What glue to use to fix the rand of hiking boots where the toes crease when walking?

EssexExile

silvercar said:

Don’t premium products come with a warranty? Isn’t the whole point of paying extra for a premium product that they are made to last? I’d be disappointed if I’d paid extra for something to last a long time and it needed a repair in just over a year.

I've had a quick scour of the website but could find no mention of a guarantee. Having paid that amount of money I think chasing the supplier for a replacement is the way to go. My Berghaus and Scarpa footwear last for years and don't cost that much.

grumpy_codger

ThisIsWeird said:

The only part I can see that could be separating is where the toe cap meets the top of the boot - see yellow arrow. Is that it?

I'd have thought that ideal for StixAll, and have repaired similar myself - eg where rubber toe-caps come up and join to the front-top of the boot.

I second that - some hybrid silicone sealant. And they are available in black.

EssexHebridean

I would be going back to the place I bought the boots froim and quoting your consumer rights to them. as a reminder, this means that good must be 
- Of Suitable quality
- As Described
- Fit for purpose
And
- last a Reasonable length of Time

This is what Martin Lewis calls your "SAD FART" rights (see capitalisation above) - and it is your legal entitlement when purchasing an item. I would say that unless you have been giving them some very hard wear a year and a bit is not a suitable length of time for an item of this nature, at that pricepoint, to last. 

Mistral001

I have tried fixing shoes that have had this problem.  Some repairs have failed and some have lasted for years.  Where I have used only glue, the repair has only lasted a few weeks.  The only successful repairs have involved glue and stitching.  There is just so much stress on that part of the shoe/boot that there has to be stitching.  The glue that the makers used is applied under factory conditions with clean materials, and in my view you cannot replicate those once the shoes have been used for a while. You will need an awl and waxed thread as well as a strong needle.  Sail repair needles are best, and the awl can be made out of a sharpened nail and a piece of wood as a handle if you do not already have one.

BTW be weary of Youtude videos promising quick fixes, however some of the Youtube videos obviously made by professional cobblers are very good.

PS. A needle and a strong thimble might be sufficient to make a hole.

GervisLooper

ThisIsWeird said:

The only part I can see that could be separating is where the toe cap meets the top of the boot - see yellow arrow. Is that it?

I'd have thought that ideal for StixAll, and have repaired similar myself - eg where rubber toe-caps come up and join to the front-top of the boot.

Are you sure that StixAll is the product you used?

I'd gently use a sharp paring knife or similar to scrape away all the products you have already used, and make sure it's bone dry (tho' StixAll is surprisingly tolerant), and then...

Take it to Timpsons. I don't understand your reluctance?

Or, get a tube in black: https://www.toolstation.com/stixall-adhesive-sealant/p60981

Get it right in there, and press it gently into place to extrude excess SA. Wipe away excess, leaving a smoothish edge along the top join. Use tape to hold the rand firmly against the boot upper. Leave for a day to set - ideally close to a radiator.

No it isn't the toe cap. On the image there is a black band all around the shoe, this is called the rand. You can see in the image the darker black between the sole and the upper of the shoes. That is a glued on band going round the whole thing.

It has come away in several places where the step curls the feet. Not relevant where but just that is has come unstuck through regular creasing.

Yes I am able to read. Stixall is what the thing says. Ah good suggestion on the tape. I didn't think of that. I was having trouble thinking of ideas to hold it fast. I had used weight before though which did form a compression but still they came away. Tape would be much less fiddly though because it was a faff to balance the weights on the shoes and not have them fall over.

GervisLooper

silvercar said:

Don’t premium products come with a warranty? Isn’t the whole point of paying extra for a premium product that they are made to last? I’d be disappointed if I’d paid extra for something to last a long time and it needed a repair in just over a year.

Doesn't extend to this company I guess. Have not seen such a warranty and just had a quick look on their site.

I think it isn't that they won't need repairing for years but rather they can be repaired rather than totally falling to bits like cheaper ones. Even expensive ones need servicing like resoling and things like that.

The boots themselves are still in good nick and faring much better than an equivalent cheap pair would. This is only tiny coming away.

Also it depends how much someone uses them. I use these most hours of the day nearly everyday now I am living an outdoors life. For most casuals who probably buy shoes from there they would only walk outdoors maybe once every week or two. As such they could go 4 years before coming upon the same issue I did within a year.

Not showing off I am mr big outdoorsman as I was the same with my walking routine when I lived in a city and I noticed a quick change when I started working on a farm a couple of times a week and walking more, thus giving the cheapo shoes at the time more wear. Those used to last a year but then went down to 6 months service life which is what spurred my interest in trying more expensive ones.

No strong opinions on the above, this being my first 'premium' pair. I may be wrong and they too are rubbish but so far they are doing better than the cheaper ones, just not unscathed. I don't think it is possible to have a pair that show no wear if using them heavily and doing labour work on varied rough surfaces knocking them about day in day out.

GervisLooper

EssexHebridean said:

I would be going back to the place I bought the boots froim and quoting your consumer rights to them. as a reminder, this means that good must be 
- Of Suitable quality
- As Described
- Fit for purpose
And
- last a Reasonable length of Time

This is what Martin Lewis calls your "SAD FART" rights (see capitalisation above) - and it is your legal entitlement when purchasing an item. I would say that unless you have been giving them some very hard wear a year and a bit is not a suitable length of time for an item of this nature, at that pricepoint, to last. 

Well as my above post states, I would say they have had hard daily wear for quite some time.

Also it seems to be exaggerated as to the state they are in? It isn't like they are falling to pieces, the whole of the boot's structural integrity is still intact, it is just this little band that keeps the water out has a couple of little parts where it has come unstuck, probably only a couple of mms, causing water ingress.

Not like other cheaper ones at this point where the water comes in from the material disintegrating for instance. The parts are still intact, just not 'tacked' to one another.

GervisLooper

Mistral001 said:

I have tried fixing shoes that have had this problem.  Some repairs have failed and some have lasted for years.  Where I have used only glue, the repair has only lasted a few weeks.  The only successful repairs have involved glue and stitching.  There is just so much stress on that part of the shoe/boot that there has to be stitching.  The glue that the makers used is applied under factory conditions with clean materials, and in my view you cannot replicate those once the shoes have been used for a while. You will need an awl and waxed thread as well as a strong needle.  Sail repair needles are best, and the awl can be made out of a sharpened nail and a piece of wood as a handle if you do not already have one.

BTW be weary of Youtude videos promising quick fixes, however some of the Youtube videos obviously made by professional cobblers are very good.

PS. A needle and a strong thimble might be sufficient to make a hole.

This advice seems to be moot since you misunderstood the part which is at issue.

Just begun reading this article which seems to imply that it is not an uncommon occurrence after the first year: https://www.gearassistant.com/boot-rand-repair/

silvercar

GervisLooper said:

EssexHebridean said:

I would be going back to the place I bought the boots froim and quoting your consumer rights to them. as a reminder, this means that good must be 
- Of Suitable quality
- As Described
- Fit for purpose
And
- last a Reasonable length of Time

This is what Martin Lewis calls your "SAD FART" rights (see capitalisation above) - and it is your legal entitlement when purchasing an item. I would say that unless you have been giving them some very hard wear a year and a bit is not a suitable length of time for an item of this nature, at that pricepoint, to last. 

Well as my above post states, I would say they have had hard daily wear for quite some time.

Also it seems to be exaggerated as to the state they are in? It isn't like they are falling to pieces, the whole of the boot's structural integrity is still intact, it is just this little band that keeps the water out has a couple of little parts where it has come unstuck, probably only a couple of mms, causing water ingress.

Not like other cheaper ones at this point where the water comes in from the material disintegrating for instance. The parts are still intact, just not 'tacked' to one another.

In the words of the song - ‘boots are made for walking’ - or at least they should be.

jasonstrong

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