2 MPANs one standing charge

Phones4Chris

womble88 said:

Hi,

I live in an old property which has 2 MPANs and only one standing charge (one MPAN for house, one for garage block).  I am with Eon and finding it impossible to switch to another supplier (including Octopus) because they all insist on me having 2 standing charges which really negates any cost saving from switching.  Anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

many thanks for any help!

Where are the two meters? Are they both fed from the same Network Provider's cut-out?
Some pictures may help.
Are both MPANs on the one account or are they separate accounts billed to exactly the same address?

Keep_pedalling

Phones4Chris said:

womble88 said:

Hi,

I live in an old property which has 2 MPANs and only one standing charge (one MPAN for house, one for garage block).  I am with Eon and finding it impossible to switch to another supplier (including Octopus) because they all insist on me having 2 standing charges which really negates any cost saving from switching.  Anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

many thanks for any help!

Where are the two meters? Are they both fed from the same Network Provider's cut-out?
Some pictures may help.
Are both MPANs on the one account or are they separate accounts billed to exactly the same address?

From a similar thread by the OP back in 2019.

“2 meters are because we have a main house and then also a detached garage with accommodation above the garage, meters are next to each other in the main house and only pay one standing charge,”

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5972777/two-meters-one-standing-charge#latest

Qyburn

Sounds like it should be possible to combine them into one by changes near or around the meters. A photo would help.

Scot_39

Keep_pedalling said:

Phones4Chris said:

womble88 said:

Hi,

I live in an old property which has 2 MPANs and only one standing charge (one MPAN for house, one for garage block).  I am with Eon and finding it impossible to switch to another supplier (including Octopus) because they all insist on me having 2 standing charges which really negates any cost saving from switching.  Anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

many thanks for any help!

Where are the two meters? Are they both fed from the same Network Provider's cut-out?
Some pictures may help.
Are both MPANs on the one account or are they separate accounts billed to exactly the same address?

From a similar thread by the OP back in 2019.

“2 meters are because we have a main house and then also a detached garage with accommodation above the garage, meters are next to each other in the main house and only pay one standing charge,”

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5972777/two-meters-one-standing-charge#latest

In which case I'd worry about the ability of one supply to support both  - especially if ig enough and independent accomodation  - e.g. granny flat or let with own bathroom kitchen etc.  As comment  above.

Phones4Chris

Scot_39 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Phones4Chris said:

womble88 said:

Hi,

I live in an old property which has 2 MPANs and only one standing charge (one MPAN for house, one for garage block).  I am with Eon and finding it impossible to switch to another supplier (including Octopus) because they all insist on me having 2 standing charges which really negates any cost saving from switching.  Anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

many thanks for any help!

Where are the two meters? Are they both fed from the same Network Provider's cut-out?
Some pictures may help.
Are both MPANs on the one account or are they separate accounts billed to exactly the same address?

From a similar thread by the OP back in 2019.

“2 meters are because we have a main house and then also a detached garage with accommodation above the garage, meters are next to each other in the main house and only pay one standing charge,”

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5972777/two-meters-one-standing-charge#latest

In which case I'd worry about the ability of one supply to support both  - especially if ig enough and independent accomodation  - e.g. granny flat or let with own bathroom kitchen etc.  As comment  above.

It may depend on how old the property is, because if it's obviously being supplied quite happily at present from one supply it should be fine, UNLESS as with some older properties it happens to have a 3-phase supply and the 2nd meter is on another phase. This is why a photo which includes the Network Provider's cut-out is important.

This sounds like a situation where a VERY close look at OFGEM's rules could be needed, it may be that the OP is very lucky to be only paying one SC but I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

superkoopauk

 I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

Bang on - Ofgem price cap rules are at a premises level so charging two standing charges would break the cap

mmmmikey

superkoopauk said:

 I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

Bang on - Ofgem price cap rules are at a premises level so charging two standing charges would break the cap

Depends what you mean by premises - if you add a self-contained granny flat to your house with it's own separate electricity supply then maybe that counts as two premises in the context of the rules? The OPs previous post suggests that this was being billed as two separate premises in 2019 (and possibly still is) which would explain why there are two meters. It's not uncommon for one dwelling to be split into two (or more) dwellings, self-contained granny flats to be added. Or the other way round - two dwellings knocked into one. So should be easy enough to fix as long as the OP is prepared to pay the appropriate charges which doesn't seem unreasonable in the circumstances.

Scot_39

superkoopauk said:

 I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

Bang on - Ofgem price cap rules are at a premises level so charging two standing charges would break the cap

You are of course  presuming the op will be on a cap related tariff  - basically single rate or economy 7 default variable.

Other tariffs do exist - and supplier license conditions actually explicitly say in places you can have zero or you can have more than one standing charge.

As sections of electricty license conditions 22A refer to

zero or more Standing Charge(s)  or just  Standing Charge(s)

Just as they do 

Unit Rate(s)

By implication of the (s) plural not singular permitted.



And my legacy rts tariff meter arrangement - had 2 meters 2 mpans and 2 SC slots one per meter on bills.  

The only rule change I am aware of is for those with old RRMI (relevent restricted meter infrastructure) wanting to be billed at single rate  - saying should be offered same plans as those on non RRMI single rate. Section 22G. 

So just one standing charge  - but only if they leave old multirate plan for single rate.  And standard economy 7 metering itself didn't count as RRMI under 22G.   And unless been extended by seperate notice it says  - that condition expires June this year.  As I guess a lot of RRMI expected to be Smart by now and again Smart isn't within scope of RRMI.

Phones4Chris

Scot_39 said:

superkoopauk said:

 I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

Bang on - Ofgem price cap rules are at a premises level so charging two standing charges would break the cap

You are of course  presuming the op will be on a cap related tariff  - basically single rate or economy 7 default variable.

I don't believe that's correct or relevant. I was not on any fixed tariff when EDF suddenly refunded me 5 years worth of a 2nd standing charge - IIRC it was from the date the new rules were introduced. I was on Complex Metering with a separate meter for my off-peak with a time-clock.

Scot_39 said:

superkoopauk said:

 I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

Bang on - Ofgem price cap rules are at a premises level so charging two standing charges would break the cap

And my legacy rts tariff meter arrangement - had 2 meters 2 mpans and 2 SC slots one per meter on bills.  
.............

@Scot_39 IMHO you are being overcharged, and should only be paying one SC.

mmmmikey said:

superkoopauk said:

 I'm still thinking that as it's a supply to one property, the one SC is correct.

Bang on - Ofgem price cap rules are at a premises level so charging two standing charges would break the cap

Depends what you mean by premises - if you add a self-contained granny flat to your house with it's own separate electricity supply then maybe that counts as two premises in the context of the rules? The OPs previous post suggests that this was being billed as two separate premises in 2019 (and possibly still is) which would explain why there are two meters. It's not uncommon for one dwelling to be split into two (or more) dwellings, self-contained granny flats to be added. Or the other way round - two dwellings knocked into one. So should be easy enough to fix as long as the OP is prepared to pay the appropriate charges which doesn't seem unreasonable in the circumstances.

Well that wasn't my interpretation of that post, and perhaps you don't recall reading the OP's 2nd reply here.
The two meters are next to each other and therefore the supply is to one premises and the bill undoubtedly addressed to one premises! And as this was the situation when he bought the property, we can't make any assumptions about why this was the case. We may have a better feeling when we seen how the two meters are supplied from the cut-out.

womble88 said:

Thanks, so guess am stuck with Eon forever!  Yes there ere are 2 meters but it is one property, was always one standing charge since I bought the house in 2007.

@womble88 Can you please supply a picture of the two meters with their feed from the supply's cut-out?

Rosie1001

I used to pay 2standing charges for one meter , 2 mpan 

buy when I moved  to Edf they charged me only one standing charge 

maybe worth a call to your supplier and see if you can get more clarity