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Anyone buying gilts right now?
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Inflation is projected to rise agan in the coming months. BOE is unlikely to react to short term noise. Be something far more fundamental.4
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Hi,
Just looking at;
TG50 at a price of £34.48 matures in 2050 and has a 0.625% coupon, bought within ISA.
I am trying to get my head round yields, coupons, yield to maturity, and last but not least dirty prices, ho hum....
If I spent £10k buying TG50 @ £34.48, then I would have 290 gilts, each with a 0.625% coupon.
Each gilt would pay £100 x 0.625% pa, = 62.5p each
62.5p x 290 = £181.25 pa for 25 years = £4,531 total received by 2050.
The price of the gilt will rise to £100 by 2050, though not necessarily exponentially...so in 2050 I would make £100 less £34.48 = £65.52 profit per gilt x 290 = £19,000 profit.
If I add the £4,531 to £19,000 then the total gain is £23,351 over 25 years, so each year (averaged out), I would make £934 profit on an investment of £10k, which is a not too shabby average 9.34% pa profit each year for 25 years.
I know there may be periods where the price stagnates or falls, but it has to be £100 in 2050.
I am trying to keep things simple, but am I missing the obvious?
Cheers
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barbuda said:Hi,
Just looking at;
TG50 at a price of £34.48 matures in 2050 and has a 0.625% coupon, bought within ISA.
I am trying to get my head round yields, coupons, yield to maturity, and last but not least dirty prices, ho hum....
If I spent £10k buying TG50 @ £34.48, then I would have 290 gilts, each with a 0.625% coupon.
Each gilt would pay £100 x 0.625% pa, = 62.5p each
62.5p x 290 = £181.25 pa for 25 years = £4,531 total received by 2050.
The price of the gilt will rise to £100 by 2050, though not necessarily exponentially...so in 2050 I would make £100 less £34.48 = £65.52 profit per gilt x 290 = £19,000 profit.
If I add the £4,531 to £19,000 then the total gain is £23,351 over 25 years, so each year (averaged out), I would make £934 profit on an investment of £10k, which is a not too shabby average 9.34% pa profit each year for 25 years.
I know there may be periods where the price stagnates or falls, but it has to be £100 in 2050.
I am trying to keep things simple, but am I missing the obvious?
CheersYou are missing the effect of compounding of interest. The gross redemption yield on TG50 is about 5.45% currently. So you would really only earn about 5.45%pa (gross).If by comparison you put £100 into a savings account earning 5.45%pa AER over 25 years (if that was possible), you would after 25 years have £377 (= 100 x 1.0545^25). But you can't say your gain is £277 (= 377 - 100) and therefore your return each year is 277/25 /100 = 11%pa. Your return is of course 5.45%pa.I came, I saw, I melted0 -
Hi, thanks for that..
So are you saying that although there would be £23,351 profit on a £10k investment, instead of saying it earned 9.34% pa it should really be interpreted as 5.45% compounded?
https://curvo.eu/backtest/en/market-index/ftse-100?currency=gbp
The chart shows FTSE 100 compounded at 5.21% over 25 years, so a definite 5.45% might not be too bad...
Food for thought.
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Hi Ian,
Yup I could be pushing daisies up, but the investment could trundle on if in a Sipp, and £33k will always look better than £10k ;-)
Might be a really boring investment but I might be tempted..0 -
With the current policy mix, my guess is that long-dated yields head higher - so better value, perhaps significantly so, awaits the patient.
So no long-dated for me yet.0 -
barbuda said:Hi, thanks for that..
So are you saying that although there would be £23,351 profit on a £10k investment, instead of saying it earned 9.34% pa it should really be interpreted as 5.45% compounded?
https://curvo.eu/backtest/en/market-index/ftse-100?currency=gbp
The chart shows FTSE 100 compounded at 5.21% over 25 years, so a definite 5.45% might not be too bad...
Food for thought.0 -
IanManc said:barbuda said:Hi Ian,
Yup I could be pushing daisies up, but the investment could trundle on if in a Sipp, and £33k will always look better than £10k ;-)
Might be a really boring investment but I might be tempted..£6000 in 20230 -
InvesterJones said:barbuda said:Hi, thanks for that..
So are you saying that although there would be £23,351 profit on a £10k investment, instead of saying it earned 9.34% pa it should really be interpreted as 5.45% compounded?
https://curvo.eu/backtest/en/market-index/ftse-100?currency=gbp
The chart shows FTSE 100 compounded at 5.21% over 25 years, so a definite 5.45% might not be too bad...
Food for thought.0 -
barbuda said:
So are you saying that although there would be £23,351 profit on a £10k investment, instead of saying it earned 9.34% pa it should really be interpreted as 5.45% compounded?
I came, I saw, I melted0
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