2025 Fashion On The Ration Challenge

Laura_Elsewhere

PipneyJane said: 

.  (I believe the end of March was the end of the Roman tax year, too.  The British tax year ends on 5th April, which is a hangover from changing to the Gregorian calendar in 1752, moving the end of the tax year from 25th March to 5th April

Pip, the year used to change on 25th March until about 1641, might have been 1642, not sure… so you would have December 1635 followed by January 1635, February 1635 and March 1635… and only then would you get any date in 1636! 

There’s a year when many documents, letters, etc., have both years, ie Dec. 1641/2, and it plays merry hell with historical interpretation if the modern readers don’t know!!

weenancyinAmerica

Date of change in British Isles was 1752 (included us colonists over here). You have to remember that year when doing genealogy. Scotland made the change over in 1600- so for 152 years there was a difference in dates. The Dutch changed back in the 1600s too. So when I am doing genealogy I end up with dates like 1-12 Mar 1642/1643 which means it was the 12 of Mar 1642 in the old calendar, 1 Mar 1642 in the Dutch calendar, and 12 Mar 1643 in the New Calendar and was at the end of the year - not the beginning in the old calendar when looking at the actual parish register. The new year would have begun the 25th of March.

Nelliegrace

September, October, November and December, named for 7, 8, 9 and 10, yet the names were kept for 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months of the year! Random month length so we have to recite the rhyme. “Thirty days hath September…” What a B**** Up the men made of changing the calendar.

And the NHS Hospital prescriptions think a month is 28 days, so three months of life-saving daily medicines run out between appointments. Which is always next available appointment after three months. Then when things go badly they ask, “Have you been taking your medication!” So they suggest moving to two-monthly appointments to solve the problem. The computer system cannot accept 13 weeks. Hospitals should have a wall across the entry with a sign, “BANG HEAD HERE.”

And breath.

September. 72 days of medicine prescribed for 3 months! Really?

weenancyinAmerica

Boy do I agree with you about the "Bang Head Here"! And in many countries, especially the Scandinavian ones and European ones, they still use the number of the month as it was for the months - some even until this day so the 9th month is November in my family's home towns even today. I find myself getting confused and having trouble telling which month it is today in other areas. I have to be very careful when I switch research from one country to another.

Liverpool_Anne

I had no idea of these date changes and it's a bit mind blowing. It must have been confusing when it all happened never mind now. I just wonder why???? As you say a minefield if you are doing any sort of historical research.
Take care everyone

weenancyinAmerica

Easter was getting later and later into the year - sometimes no longer in Spring at all. The calendar had added 10 solar days by the later 1500s. To correct this and get Easter back where it belonged, Pope Gregory changed the first day of the year from 25 Mar (exactly nine months before Christmas) to 1 January and took ten days out of the calendar. But England and the Pope weren't seeing eye to eye about then, so the British countries didn't change their calendars. By 1600, Scotland, then mostly Presbyterian, made the change over by cutting the year 3 months short. But the British governments including the US colonies and Canada didn't make the change until 1752 - and by then there was an 11 day problem. So they took 11 days out of the calendar and caused riots as people lost 11 days worth of rent (when you paid yearly or monthly). The 2nd to the 13th of September just disappeared. Then they started throwing in leap years to make up for the changing days so it won't happen again for a long time. If you do family history, just remember that January was month 11, February was month twelve, and the first 24 days of March were the end of year even though they were in month 1. Now thoroughly confused - so are most of us who trace family trees.

Laura_Elsewhere

@weenancyinAmerica that is the best explanation I have *ever* read! May I keep it for future reference, please? 

And we thought it was difficult, changing over to decimal currency!  

Liverpool_Anne

@weenancyinAmerica thank you 😁, now I understand it was all about having dates fixed around the alleged date of the birth of Jesus rather than the actual cycle of the earth it makes sense 😁. I wonder what the rest of the world, the non Christian bit, did? They must have had their own calendar based on other things, maybe they were still based on the earth cycle or the moon. Very interesting topic that will no doubt send me down an internet rabbit hole 😂😂
Take care everyone

PipneyJane

Liverpool_Anne said:

@weenancyinAmerica thank you 😁, now I understand it was all about having dates fixed around the alleged date of the birth of Jesus rather than the actual cycle of the earth it makes sense 😁. I wonder what the rest of the world, the non Christian bit, did? They must have had their own calendar based on other things, maybe they were still based on the earth cycle or the moon. Very interesting topic that will no doubt send me down an internet rabbit hole 😂😂
Take care everyone

We are in the year 5785 in the Jewish calendar.  We follow a lunar calendar, based around 12 months of 29-ish days, which means that 7 times in every 19 years - i.e. every 2-3 years - we add a 13th month to the calendar to bring things back into line with the seasons.   A leap year is known as a "pregnant year", since it gives birth to an extra month.

This year began at sunset on the 2nd October 2024 and will end at Sunset on 22nd September 2025.

That we're in 5785 is the fault of Maimonides, who worked out that creation occurred in 3761BC.  Even thinking about how he did the maths makes my head explode!

- Pip

Sarahspangles

Liverpool_Anne said:

@weenancyinAmerica thank you 😁, now I understand it was all about having dates fixed around the alleged date of the birth of Jesus rather than the actual cycle of the earth it makes sense 😁. I wonder what the rest of the world, the non Christian bit, did? They must have had their own calendar based on other things, maybe they were still based on the earth cycle or the moon. Very interesting topic that will no doubt send me down an internet rabbit hole 😂😂
Take care everyone

As a gardener, I’ve always thought the solstices and equinoxes were good reference points. For some years I’ve started a journal on the Winter solstice, which works for me as I find there’s sitting around time at Christmas. Three months later, at Spring Equinox, it’s time to plan for the new financial year. The rest of the year, the quarters are good points to change over my wardrobe, or at least take stock. And for the garden, the quarters are planning points for the next season. Midsummer is the easiest as there should be nothing to do until the next Equinox!