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APCOA railway penalty notice - POPLA appeal

Hi all, on 12/dec/24 I parked in a railway carpark and purchased an all day ticket using their app.
I returned that same day to a ticket on my window saying I had parked in a permit area without displaying a permit before the designated time (9:30 am)







I appealed the ticket on my window as the bay I parked in had nothing on the space nor a sign stating that it was a specific permit bay. They have subsequently rejected it and I now have the option to appeal to POPLA - I received an email with a PDF attachment (see below)





I have read multiple threads in the NEWBIE section, but I'm confused. Do I wait until I get something in the post before I appeal, or is the fact that I have received this via email, addressed to me and my home address in the top left corner okay to appeal?

Please could someone help concerning the appeal, I would appreciate any help you can provide.

Thank you,
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  • DE_612183
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    you can appeal to POPLA using the reference you have there - check out the newbies thread and another thread ( linked there ) about railway pcns
  • Coupon-mad
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    But to win it, read the most recent months' posts in POPLA DECISIONS and find the silver bullet about APCOA landowner authority.
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  • LDast
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    edited 19 December 2024 at 11:10PM
    Ignore it and get on with your life. The PN is fraudulent. APCOA cannot prosecute anyone under railway bylaw 24(1). POPLA have no jurisdiction to adjudicate on a PN, even if it were a real one.

    You will receive a load of useless debt collector letters which you can safely ignore or use as kindling. Eventually they will stop.

    APCOA are using unlawful language in their PN by threatening criminal prosecution. They can't. They never have and they never will. Their scam depends on low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree being so scared of the words in the PN that they pay the "fine" in order to avoid the mendacious threat of a criminal record.

    You can go through all the motions suggested in the Newbies/FAQ thread and the final outcome will be exactly the same, except by ignoring them, you are not wasting your time legitimising their actions with responses.

    Parking offences were decriminalised in 1991 when the Road Traffic Act was introduced. The DfT, in 2018, clarified to POPLA that they do not expect parking offences on railway property to be dealt with using railway bylaw 24(1) which is for serious bylaw breaches that require criminal prosecution. As with councils and local authorities, parking infringements should only be dealt with in the civil courts.

    I will place money on the fact that APCOA have no contract with the landowner at any train station in the land that allows them to issue Penalty Notices and to prosecute them under bylaw 24(1). APCOA are only allowed to issue Parking Charge Notices, which are not criminal matters.

    Not one single person who regularly advises on this site has ever seen a contract between APCOA and the railway station landowner that authorises them to issue Penalty Notices under the threat of criminal prosecution.

    So, either waste your time legitimising APCOAs fake PN by responding and appealing or simply ignore them and every subsequent bit of correspondence about it. The final outcome will be nothing. Guaranteed.
  • TooManyPoints
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    edited 23 December 2024 at 4:43PM
    "APCOA cannot prosecute anyone under railway bylaw 24(1)."

     No, but the Train Operating Company (TOC) can as they are "authorised prosecutors". There is a live thread on "ftla" at the moment which illustrates precisely this. A motorist received a "Parking Penalty Notice" informing him that he had transgressed by irregular parking in a railway station car park. It asked for £60 (£30 if paid promptly) to avoid prosecution. He ignored it and subsequently received a Single Justice Procedure Notice charging him with an offence under bylaw 14.2:

     https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/sjp-for-private-parking-ticket/
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 23 December 2024 at 5:14PM
    But it's important to say that no TOC has issued anything (ever) in relation to parking Penalty Notices from APCOA. Nothing happens.

    APCOA are not connected to not contracted by Merseyrail. Interesting link though. I reckon the TOC will drop it.

    TOCS are not great at using the SJP properly:

    https://www.brettwilson.co.uk/blog/train-fare-evasion-and-the-single-justice-procedure/
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  • he unpaid fare issue arose because TOCs are not authorised to prosecute offences under the Regulation of Railways Act. The SJ legislation defines who are "authorised prosecutors" and it and also defines which offences they can use the SJP for. The 75,000 or so cases were prosecuted under the RoRA and that was not included among the offences the TOCs can prosecute using the SJP. Some of the charges they laid were for imprisonable offences and the SJP legislation excludes such offences entirely.

    I don't see any reason why Merseyrail should not continue with their charge explained in the ftla thread. Unless, that is, they decide they cannot succeed. They might consider that possibility when they realise that to secure a criminal conviction under the charge they've laid under Bylaw 14(2) they have to prove that the defendant was the person in charge of the vehicle. They have no idea who it was and there is no legislation compelling anyone to tell them.

    I don't believe they can prosecute under bylaw 14(4) which I think allows for penalty charges only. But if they could, that relies on them being able to identify the owner. In criminal proceedings they cannot rely on the assumption that a parking adjudicator would use - that the registered keeper is the owner unless proved to the contrary. They would have to prove that to the criminal standard and I don't see how they can do that either..

    In short, criminal prosecutions for parking offences on railway land using the bylaws are a complete mess


  • Coupon-mad
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    But back on topic: this is only APCOA.

    Nothing will happen in this case, so we don't want to scare the OP with all this discussion.
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  • My concern is the hundreds of thousands every year that receive these far PNs and simply pay up out of fear and ignorance.

    But as far as I can see (and it's not my area of expertise so I'm not saying I'm right) the parking business seems rife with such practices which aim to scare the recipients of their notices into paying up for fear of nasty consequences. 

    With this particular issue I don't know why the TOCs do not employ APCOA (other parking enforcement companies are available) to issue notices on their behalf which make no pretence but simply say "We consider you've broken our parking rules. If you pay us £60 (or whatever) it will go away; if you don't we'll prosecute you.".

    There would be nothing unlawful in that. The police do it all the time. They need not then get bogged down with the legal niceties that govern the issue of the various notices that go with decriminalised offences. They wouldn't need to disguise their notices as "penalty notices" or any other term which might offend those concerned with the integrity of the  decriminalised regime.

    The problem they have is that they are trying to combine all the benefits of the decriminalised system (such as avoiding the tiresome business of having to properly prove their case) whilst retaining recourse to the criminal courts if their demands are not met.

    What I do believe needs reining in is the suggestion by these parking companies that their own (and later, an independent) arbitration scheme is the correct way to resolve the issue. The plain fact is that these demands can only be satisfied by resorting to a criminal prosecution and to succeed with that they would have to prove their case to the criminal standard. If they don't want to do that they should ditch the parking section from their bylaws and fully embrace the decriminalised regime as owners of other locations have to.

    If this OP had ignored all notices and demands, the only way APCOA could have proceeded was by way of a prosecution. They are not authorised to do that and, reading this, it seems unlikely that the TOC would take on the task from them even if they were legally able to.

    We don't know who issued the original "demand for money with menaces" in the case on ftla, But whoever it was, Merseyrail seem to have had no qualms about prosecution. But they also did not queer the pitch by offering the defendant an opportunity to go to (IMO entirely inappropriate) civil arbitration.
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