Seat/VW Group wireless charger useless?

400ixl

In my Audi (so VAG group) the wireless charging will keep up with running Android Auto wirelessly with Waze running and podcasts playing via the phone at the same time. It won't massively increase the battery, but won't lose charge.

If I need it to be charging at the same time, I would plug it in.

iPhones on Carplay with Waze on the same wireless charger do tend to very slowly discharge. On short journeys you wouldn't see the decline but into the hours you will. Not running Carplay it will charge positively.

Frozen_up_north

user1977 said:

Mine charges ok (Golf Mk8 and an iPhone 11) even if the phone is running Google Maps through Airplay.

Mine certainly doesn’t when running Waze. I just bought a £5 USB-C to Lightning cable and turned off wireless charging in the car settings.

Problem solved and the phone is much cooler too.

Goudy

born_again said:

Frozen_up_north said:

The car has 2 x USB-C sockets in the front and 2 x USB-C in the rear, so using a cable to charge the phone is not likely to be an issue. It is a pity the convenient built-in wireless charger is not sufficient to even keep the battery from discharging, unless the phone is just idle and not being used for anything useful.

Bonus for you is that at least phone won't overheat. Which is often a common issue with I-Phones charging in car.

That can become an issue and not just with iPhones.
The faster chargers tend to cause phones to heat up, as does running apps that require more power than usual.
Put these both together and it causes plenty of heat in your phone.

Use/charging is a balancing act.

I'll use my phone, direct without mirroring in hire cars, often on holiday.
I'll only plug it in to charge when the battery drops below halfway, then unplug it once it has had a chance to charge or starts to feel hot.
I carry a clip on air vent phone holder and usually have the air con on mid car to try and keep it cool.

If I leave it plugged in on charge for more than a hour or so the phone goes into melt down mode.
It tends to flash an excess heat warning and start shutting down, the screen is usually the first to go.

SergioJames

I also own a Leon and use Waze. I don't have any problems myself, except that I don't have an iPhone - it's a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. So my phone is connected by cable. I use Waze and it charges. When I use wireless charging, my phone also charges very well.

There are several possible problems:
- By default, Waze uses a lot of power (too much) on your iPhone
- You have a case on your iPhone that prevents wireless charging from working properly.

Try turning on Waze and using it to see how much power your phone uses. Try plugging the phone in via the USB cable and see if there's a difference.

Goudy

SergioJames said:

I also own a Leon and use Waze. I don't have any problems myself, except that I don't have an iPhone - it's a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. So my phone is connected by cable. I use Waze and it charges. When I use wireless charging, my phone also charges very well.

There are several possible problems:
- By default, Waze uses a lot of power (too much) on your iPhone
- You have a case on your iPhone that prevents wireless charging from working properly.

Try turning on Waze and using it to see how much power your phone uses. Try plugging the phone in via the USB cable and see if there's a difference.

That's because your Galaxy S22 Ultra can charge at 15w wirelessly.
Your phone can take twice as much charge in the same time frame as the iPhone 13.

Frozen_up_north

The iPhone 13 only charges at half the rate on a Qi charger (Leon?) compared to Magsafe charging.

My phone has a very thin rubber case back, it does charge slowly provided I am not running Waze. I now have a USB-C to Lightning cable so the problem is solved.

DullGreyGuy

Goudy said:

SergioJames said:

I also own a Leon and use Waze. I don't have any problems myself, except that I don't have an iPhone - it's a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. So my phone is connected by cable. I use Waze and it charges. When I use wireless charging, my phone also charges very well.

There are several possible problems:
- By default, Waze uses a lot of power (too much) on your iPhone
- You have a case on your iPhone that prevents wireless charging from working properly.

Try turning on Waze and using it to see how much power your phone uses. Try plugging the phone in via the USB cable and see if there's a difference.

That's because your Galaxy S22 Ultra can charge at 15w wirelessly.
Your phone can take twice as much charge in the same time frame as the iPhone 13.

Other than they say they are connected by a cable so it's not wireless charging at all. 

iPhone 13 supports 15w wirelessly too, but sources say that older Skodas dont support that level so both hare hamstrung by the low powered wireless charging

Goudy

DullGreyGuy said:

Goudy said:

SergioJames said:

I also own a Leon and use Waze. I don't have any problems myself, except that I don't have an iPhone - it's a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. So my phone is connected by cable. I use Waze and it charges. When I use wireless charging, my phone also charges very well.

There are several possible problems:
- By default, Waze uses a lot of power (too much) on your iPhone
- You have a case on your iPhone that prevents wireless charging from working properly.

Try turning on Waze and using it to see how much power your phone uses. Try plugging the phone in via the USB cable and see if there's a difference.

That's because your Galaxy S22 Ultra can charge at 15w wirelessly.
Your phone can take twice as much charge in the same time frame as the iPhone 13.

Other than they say they are connected by a cable so it's not wireless charging at all. 

iPhone 13 supports 15w wirelessly too, but sources say that older Skodas dont support that level so both hare hamstrung by the low powered wireless charging

They are on a cable now, but it wouldn't charge/charge very slowly on the in car wireless charger running Waze.
(see the first line of the first post)

For iPhones 15 and earlier, yes they do support 15w wirelessly, but not on an standard Qi charger which would be the standard of the in car charger.
It's only 15w if you use a MagSafe charger. 
It's a max of 7.5w on a standard Qi charger.
Fast charge your iPhone – Apple Support (UK)

Note the part that states "one of these adaptors".
That is because the MagSafe charger needs a power source of at least 15w. You won't get 15w plugging it into any old low powered USB port on the back of a PC.

Wired and they can charge at 20w, but as we know it's not just the charging speed of the phone.
The charger needs to be able to deliver those watts, so again, plug that cable into any old low powered USB port and that USB port power is the rate you will charge at.


To "fast charge" you obviously need a phone capable of fast charging.
But you also need a power source putting out enough watts. This power source could be a suitable adaptor plugged into a mains socket (like Apples 20w charging adaptor) or a higher powered USB port.

Now if you want to wirelessly fast charge, you still need the capable phone and a power source of suitable watts but now you need a wireless pad that is rated to these watts.

In this case the limiting factor is the OP's phone's ability to only charge at 7.5w on a standard Qi wireless charger.
Yes it can charge faster on a suitable charger with a suitable power source, but that's not the in car wireless charger.

I have read the latest Seat wireless chargers are Inbay Qi chargers and should be at least 10w, maybe 15w. (as it has USB-C ports in the car, I expect it's fairly new).
So with a phone capable of charging wirelessly at 15w and the charger was actually 15w, then that's 50% faster.

As the phone is only 7.5w wirelessly on an Qi, that's the speed they will get even if the charger and power source is capable of more.

DullGreyGuy

Goudy said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Goudy said:

SergioJames said:

I also own a Leon and use Waze. I don't have any problems myself, except that I don't have an iPhone - it's a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. So my phone is connected by cable. I use Waze and it charges. When I use wireless charging, my phone also charges very well.

There are several possible problems:
- By default, Waze uses a lot of power (too much) on your iPhone
- You have a case on your iPhone that prevents wireless charging from working properly.

Try turning on Waze and using it to see how much power your phone uses. Try plugging the phone in via the USB cable and see if there's a difference.

That's because your Galaxy S22 Ultra can charge at 15w wirelessly.
Your phone can take twice as much charge in the same time frame as the iPhone 13.

Other than they say they are connected by a cable so it's not wireless charging at all. 

iPhone 13 supports 15w wirelessly too, but sources say that older Skodas dont support that level so both hare hamstrung by the low powered wireless charging

They are on a cable now, but it wouldn't charge/charge very slowly on the in car wireless charger running Waze.
(see the first line of the first post)

Your mixing up people, the person quoted wasnt the one that started the thread and in fact that was their first and only post they have ever made on this forum.

Goudy

SergioJames said:

I also own a Leon and use Waze. I don't have any problems myself, except that I don't have an iPhone - it's a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. So my phone is connected by cable. I use Waze and it charges. When I use wireless charging, my phone also charges very well.

This one? Where they state they charge wirelessly "very well".

I did quote that one and added that the S22 Ultra charges wirelessly at 15w.
Compared to the 7.5w of the iPhone 13, that is twice as fast.

So what's wrong? They are charging wirelessly, they write as much.