NTK received 13th Dec, dated 3rd Dec, for event that happened 13th of November

dramblys

Hi I've received an NTK for parking infront of Kelly's Storage in Luton close to airport.



I was staying in car with lights on infront of a gate for about 10 minutes which a lot of people do. Received an NTK with some attached evidence, one photo with the notice on the gate



Another two with my car at 2 different times on a driveway leading to the gate with somewhat fake timestamps (21:22 & 21:37)



The reason I'm saying it's fake because the car to the right did not arrive 3 mins before we were leaving and then person who took the photos was sitting in car behind us and went outside pretending to be on a phone call while taking pictures apparently (which is funny if he's hired to do that, but also illegally parks there lol)

Anyways, I was going to make an appeal to them stating the parking charge amount is £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days), while Luton council parking charges state it should be £70 (35 if paid within 14 days). I've had such successful appeal previously in Milton Keynes where I agreed to pay £20 in the end and that was over so thought i'll do the same again, but then I found this forum and done some reading so wanted to ask some questions.

FAQ refers to receiving PCN, but I received NTK straight away. What should be the course of action?
I'm currently buying a house, will the bank find out if debt collectors come chasing me? Can it affect me negatively?
Clearly the timestamps are fake, do I have any grounds there (although I have no proof myself).
The Notice is on the gates leading to the car park, while I was not in the car park, but on the driveway leading to the car park. is this enforceable?
Any insights/suggestions from the post?

dramblys

Small update: Just checked with my wife that a friend who we were picking up from the airport texted us at 21:30 and we left immediately so we definitely weren't there are 21:37 as per the timestamps, in case someone might find it interesting.

Gr1pr

I assume that there was no windscreen pcn issued,  so no keeper liability if they failed to comply with Pofa 

They are pursuing the keeper,  but ultimately the unknown driver 

Is it Parking Enforcement Ltd  ? The signage details arent clear,  although its an IPC AOS member so no appeal will work

This private invoice is nothing like a council one,  so forget about council PCNs or penalties 

Debt collectors can only send scary looking letters, they won't be coming round or contacting your bank

Save the stories and legalities for civil court,  if they ever make a claim 

dramblys

 Gr1pr said:

I assume that there was no windscreen pcn issued,  so no keeper liability if they failed to comply with Pofa 

They are pursuing the keeper,  but ultimately the unknown driver 

Is it Parking Enforcement Ltd  ? The signage details arent clear,  although its an IPC AOS member so no appeal will work

This private invoice is nothing like a council one,  so forget about council PCNs or penalties 

Debt collectors can only send scary looking letters, they won't be coming round or contacting your bank

Save the stories and legalities for civil court,  if they ever make a claim 

Thanks, I checked they are member of IPC (Universal Parking Enforcement). There was no windscreen PCN issued, should there have been to make this more legal?

I'm thinking of responding to them saying I can pay £35 as per Luton council, but not identifying the driver, would that work?

I'm aware of the debt collectors, successfully avoided them in the past, but didnt have to worry about financials at that time.

Is your advice to simply ignore it all, and if I get court summons then start acting?

Gr1pr

Its just an invoice from a private parking company,  the industry is not regulated,  any company cam legally issue an invoice,  to anyone,  for any reason,  so they have 

We wouldn't recommend responding,  it also depends what you mean by work, nothing will work apart from full payment,  which we dont recommend 

You wont get a  summons,  its not a criminal matter,  is civil contract law 

My advice is either appeal as keeper using the blue text template in the newbies FAQ sticky thread near the top of the forum in announcements,  or ignore,  either way it won't be cancelled 

A different keeper appeal could be the one by Grizebeck in the following thread,  after adapting it and removing the 2  popla sections, leaving the rest in

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6575181/smart-parking-overstay-at-spa-crewe-cheshire-camera-is-wrong#latest

Or possibly like in this NCP case , adapted if required 

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6575242/ncp-fine-help#latest

No blabbing about who was driving or about the incident itself,  and no offers either 

Coupon-mad

You are NOT going to appeal on this basis as it has no legs:

"I was going to make an appeal to them stating the parking charge amount is £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days), while Luton council parking charges state it should be £70 (35 if paid within 14 days)"

Oh no you don't!

I'm currently buying a house, will the bank find out if debt collectors come chasing me? Can it affect me negatively?

No.

Not unless you don't give them your new address when you move (not doing so is daft but you wouldn't believe how many people bury their head in the sand when they move house & then get a CCJ because they miss the court claim form and the VERY EASY defence stage.

Clearly the timestamps are fake, do I have any grounds there (although I have no proof myself).

No.

Please read the NEWBIES thread - FOURTH POST then SECOND POST in that order. There is no appeal with an IPC firm, so just ignore it & the £170 threatograms