Just a heads up about your air fryer ..

DullGreyGuy

victor2 said:

I'm sure my washing machine and fridge are having an affair...

Our washing machine does talk to the tumble dryer so if you select the "delicates" wash programme the tumble dryer automatically selects the same after. Similarly the hob and the extractor, the higher the heat setting the higher the fan speed of the extractor. 

Just waiting for them to start talking to each other so when they see I am cooking spaghetti that the washing machine sets itself to the shirts programme with heavy soiling. 

matelodave

DullGreyGuy said:

victor2 said:

I'm sure my washing machine and fridge are having an affair...

Our washing machine does talk to the tumble dryer so if you select the "delicates" wash programme the tumble dryer automatically selects the same after. Similarly the hob and the extractor, the higher the heat setting the higher the fan speed of the extractor. 

Just waiting for them to start talking to each other so when they see I am cooking spaghetti that the washing machine sets itself to the shirts programme with heavy soiling. 

DullGreyGuy said:

victor2 said:

I'm sure my washing machine and fridge are having an affair...

Our washing machine does talk to the tumble dryer so if you select the "delicates" wash programme the tumble dryer automatically selects the same after. Similarly the hob and the extractor, the higher the heat setting the higher the fan speed of the extractor. 

Just waiting for them to start talking to each other so when they see I am cooking spaghetti that the washing machine sets itself to the shirts programme with heavy soiling. 

Even worse, when those who feel that you should be eating healthy stuff find out that you are cooking spaghetti, they'll be round to confiscate your saucepan. Your cooker will have a spag-bol inhibitor message sent over wifi to ensure that you either don't do it again or you have to have at least three plant based "healthy" meals before it allows another meat meal to be cooked.  .
Dont forget that the Chinese are spying on you as well and need to know what you are cooking and when so they can shut it down.

Olinda99

What I have never understood is what anybody has to gain from all this

all joking aside, supposing you did have a smart fridge, a smart air fryer, a smart door mat, a smart door knocker, smart light bulbs, smart sink - whatever and let's say everybody was listening including the Chinese

well what would they possibly gain from all the data - or maybe I am being naive?

DullGreyGuy

Olinda99 said:

What I have never understood is what anybody has to gain from all this

all joking aside, supposing you did have a smart fridge, a smart air fryer, a smart door mat, a smart door knocker, smart light bulbs, smart sink - whatever and let's say everybody was listening including the Chinese

well what would they possibly gain from all the data - or maybe I am being naive?

This is going down a bit of a rabbit hole but we can play. 

The chances are, if data is being gathered, then its data for datas sake to explore the art of the possible. Being able to hear what people are discussing in the privacy of their own homes in principle (if you can deal with the volumes of data) could be great or dark... candid responses to adverts or tv,  better targeting of ads, blackmail material, corporate espionage, national espionage. 

Could simply be money, you've no idea what to do with the data but with billions of zettabyte of data someone may be willing to pay for it. 

On mainly unrelated matters, I've done two projects for two different firms, one a global insurer wanting a new data capture tool for details on the properties they were being asked to quote on and a second a UK company offering black boxes to insurers for PAYG motor insurance. In both cases the businesses felt they'd be able to sell the data for considerable sums to local and national governments. The former had an internal business case around master data management so if next year you're asked to quote on the same building but its missing details you can reuse last years data. the blackbox company was 100% speculation though, no commercial activity, giving away its product in exchange for psudonomised data

Grumpy_chap

Why is anyone talking to their air fryer?  

What actual functions / purpose is there for having an air fryer connected to the internet?

matelodave said:

when those who feel that you should be eating healthy stuff find out that you are cooking spaghetti, they'll be round to confiscate your saucepan.

Why?
Pasta is rich in complex carbohydrates and an ideal energy source for endurance sports as the carbs are easily digested to provide the first source of energy taken by the muscles.

DullGreyGuy

Grumpy_chap said:

Why is anyone talking to their air fryer?  

What actual functions / purpose is there for having an air fryer connected to the internet?

They weren't, but the airfryer was listening anyway, that was the whole issue of the article that people have stripped down three unknown brand budget airfryers and discovered they have microphones despite having no voice capability. 

It might be that the brands do other products that do have voice capabilities and its cheaper for them to bulk buy single components that service both products than it is to split the purchase and have some with mics and some without. Obviously the press are implying maybe it's the Chinese state spying in peoples homes. 

Presumably the purpose/function is the same as any other cooking device? Remote start/stop, see what duration is left and alerts. The old one we had had a single area but multi-cooking function so tell it you are doing fish fingers and chips and it will beep at you half way through to tell you to put the fish fingers in, clearly if it was connected to an app you could be alerted when not in the kitchen rather than come in after getting distracted and find the chips cooked to perfection and the fish fingers still raw.

It's like most smart functions, they have a use case but probably not worth paying a premium for. That said our dishwasher warns when it's out of salt, rinse aid but the wife is bad at reading the messages. When she complains things arent as clean as normal it's useful to go into the app and see she was told a week ago that the rinse aid was out. 

LightFlare

The whole concept would make a great plot for Black Mirror

Grumpy_chap

DullGreyGuy said:

implying maybe it's the Chinese state spying in peoples homes. 

IF anyone was spying on everything anybody said at anytime, they'd get so much data that it would be impossible to effectively manage and analyse for anything meaningful.  (Much the same comment as I made when working for an employer that wished to fit trackers >100 vans providing a multi-parameter status update every 30 seconds would be too overwhelming to do anything useful with.)

Perhaps, Air-Fryer users are an indicator of being in the "elite" group of UK citizens so singled out as the source of all the top secret stuff.  I wouldn't know as I do not mix in those circles (either "air-fryer user" or "elite").  Does Prince Andrew have an air-fryer?  That could be the give away clue...

Anyway, DGG, how is your elite sports training progressing with all that spaghetti being cooked in an air fryer?  What does fried spaghetti even taste like?

Our dishwasher has a light on the unit when it needs salt / rinse aid - far easier than an app in my mobile.

victor2

Grumpy_chap said:

DullGreyGuy said:

implying maybe it's the Chinese state spying in peoples homes. 

IF anyone was spying on everything anybody said at anytime, they'd get so much data that it would be impossible to effectively manage and analyse for anything meaningful. ...

Given that the average smartphone has more computing power than NASA had to put a man on the moon, who knows what the future holds...

DullGreyGuy

Grumpy_chap said:

DullGreyGuy said:

implying maybe it's the Chinese state spying in peoples homes. 

IF anyone was spying on everything anybody said at anytime, they'd get so much data that it would be impossible to effectively manage and analyse for anything meaningful.  (Much the same comment as I made when working for an employer that wished to fit trackers >100 vans providing a multi-parameter status update every 30 seconds would be too overwhelming to do anything useful with.)

Perhaps, Air-Fryer users are an indicator of being in the "elite" group of UK citizens so singled out as the source of all the top secret stuff.  I wouldn't know as I do not mix in those circles (either "air-fryer user" or "elite").  Does Prince Andrew have an air-fryer?  That could be the give away clue...

Anyway, DGG, how is your elite sports training progressing with all that spaghetti being cooked in an air fryer?  What does fried spaghetti even taste like?

Our dishwasher has a light on the unit when it needs salt / rinse aid - far easier than an app in my mobile.

Already pointed out the volume issue but we have seen in the past that something that is unmanageable now could become doable in the future. RSA currently uses 2048-bit encryption which is estimated to take 19.8 billion years to crack using a modern data centre. In 1994it was estimated that a quantum computer could do it in 110 days (when they exist) but a new proposal more recently has reduced it by at least half and potentially to a 3rd. Some are willing to gather stuff for its future value. 

Personally, not convinced and think there are more basic explanations. Also unsure why network traffic cannot be monitored to see if its plausible that its recording and transmitting audio as inevitably it would result in a much higher level of data than you'd expect a device in standby to be sending. 

Dont have an air fryer so can't help you... was surprised that rice noodles puff up though when fried. 

As I say, she clears the message as the device won't start when they are first indicating they are out which is why you have to fall back to the app. Obvs when Im doing it I see the message, add the salt, clear the message and carry on without reference to the app.