New employee on same grade being hired at top of pay scale

theoretica

PinkTrike said:

theoretica said:

Could you apply for the  jobs advertised under the other manager? 

No. It has already been offered and accepted and it would cost more to give me that job and then recruit for my job. 

I didn't mean the past job - but any future ones that come up.  A way of emphasising that you like the job but are prepared to take steps to get the pay others are getting. 

HotDog2020

Firstly how did you come to find out about the wages? This should not have been seen and you are off for looking it up, What you think this candidate lacks may actually be something that you can't appreciate that you are unaware of a quality that is not seen on paper, also they might be employed deliberately to fire for unknown reasons, you can't possibly guage it from the perspective you are coming from. However if I was in your shoes, I wouldn't want to leverage myself I would want to find another job, if they are treating staff like that, and that is what I did do...however there's warning that should be heeded as I did in fact leave a stable job and found myself in a whirlwind of hell after, which I have still not recovered from seven years later, but I was young and troubled so that didn't help, what I am trying to say is I am currently unemployed and I wouldn't wish this on anyone, I feel like I have been cursed, I am awaiting an interview result soon. However I think you are making the right move to try and get your wage increased, better to be loyal, but if loyalty is not rewarded and your angry just remember my warning!

PinkTrike

HotDog2020 said:

Firstly how did you come to find out about the wages? This should not have been seen and you are off for looking it up.

I work in a very small co. The accountant discovered what had been offered after the fact and was unhappy about it. As was the (not actually) HR person. The conversation was held in my office and was not guarded. I passed no comment and nor will I.  Many years ago, I line -managed a team and when recruiting I was told never to offer far above the bottom of the scale, "otherwise you risk losing your best staff". I would say there is a lot of truth there, but yes, in future I will ask for the top of the scale. 

TELLIT01

The accountant could be in very deep doodoo if it was discovered that they had been discussing privileged information with, or in earshot, of anybody other than the person involved.  How did the accountant come by the information?  I'm guessing they do the payroll as its a small company.

HotDog2020

PinkTrike said:

HotDog2020 said:

Firstly how did you come to find out about the wages? This should not have been seen and you are off for looking it up.

I work in a very small co. The accountant discovered what had been offered after the fact and was unhappy about it. As was the (not actually) HR person. The conversation was held in my office and was not guarded. I passed no comment and nor will I.  Many years ago, I line -managed a team and when recruiting I was told never to offer far above the bottom of the scale, "otherwise you risk losing your best staff". I would say there is a lot of truth there, but yes, in future I will ask for the top of the scale. 

Apologies for making the accusation...shame on the accountant and HR, that conversation should not have happened and like that, I would be very peeved if I was you. But there could be other factors at play with regards in the employees previous job they may have been paid the same amount and that potential now actual employee was the best candidate, however Hr and the accountant should not have let the cat out of the bag because it has brought this feeling of resentment from you, it makes me wander what were the intentions of the HR and accountant by not being more secretive and letting it slip out like that. If you do decide to move on, make sure the company you are going to has a stable financial background, you can check this by going to companies house, I have been to two stinkers and they both made me redundant! Also make sure you check the work culture and line management style, be sure you are going to a better place, if you can't be sure, just do as much digging as possible in your future company before making the switch. All the best. Hotdog.

DullGreyGuy

Salary can be impacted by many factors, some are totally separate from the individuals involved but can be just how many employers there are chasing staff or how many people are chasing the same roles. When there's a shortage of candidates monies go up, when there is an excess of candidates monies go down, the change doesn't reflect the quality or knowledge of the candidates themselves. 

No sure about some of your comments about colleagues? If they know your thoughts about them it's not going to help you at all. 

You gain experience by staying with a company, you gain salary by switching company. Sometimes just the threat of switching companies can be enough but you may find your card is marked and your managed out just on their terms/timescales rather than your notice period. 

As long as you're happy with your income it doesn't really matter what others earn and it's certainly not illegal. Having done work in the actuarial space the people that work for me can be earning almost double what I earn but I'm not an actuary, no desire to be an actuary and they have to do many years of learning, exams etc to get to where they are.

PinkTrike

No sure about some of your comments about colleagues? If they know your thoughts about them it's not going to help you at all. 

DullGreyGuy said:

Salary can be impacted by many factors, some are totally separate from the individuals involved but can be just how many employers there are chasing staff or how many people are chasing the same roles. When there's a shortage of candidates monies go up, when there is an excess of candidates monies go down, the change doesn't reflect the quality or knowledge of the candidates themselves. 

No sure about some of your comments about colleagues? If they know your thoughts about them it's not going to help you at all.

Not sure what you mean?

Marcon

PinkTrike said:

Hi,
I work for a very small, non-profit.  My manager is very nervous of and inexperienced in anything to do with HR.  He claims not to have any overview of my salary.  I sit in an office with the woman who handles HR. There is no HR dept. per se.  I like the company I work for, but I am very unhappy with the way salaries and jobs are graded.  This week a salary negotiation resulted in someone new, younger, with a lower level of qualifications than me and less work experience being recruited at the top of the pay scale for my grade.  This person will be earning 30% more than I earn.  I have previously asked my boss for a pay rise and been told that it is just not a possibility. He told me that my position would be regraded so that he could justify a pay rise, but this did not happen.  I know that the recruiting manager for the person on the higher salary is just less nervous about HR matters, so asks for things for her direct reports.  My boss will never do that.  I am fuming, I've only worked here a year and this is the second time this has happened. Both times the other manager was the same person. She's not doing anything wrong.  The person she wants to recruit has asked for more and she's asked in turn and it;s been (grudgingly) granted.  I am solely responsible for the welfare of five humans and I work very hard and earn very little.  I know that the answer is to find a better paid job and leave.  My CV is primed, but that may take a little longer.  Being livid will not help me.  How do I persuade my boss to negotiate for a pay rise for me, without appearing to be moany-mcgroany?  Generally we get on well and if I were to leave tomorrow he would be a bit stuck, but I'm far from indispensable and my job is low-level. It's so frustrating.  I am seriously over-qualified for the job that I do. AARGH!

Then you are always going to feel underpaid (and probably undervalued in a more general sense) if you stay where you are. As you've already spotted, the answer...