CPM UK - lost appeal but unsure whether to pay or not

Guitarman16

I want to start by saying I have tried to find the answer to this on other threads but am still unsure, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

On 29th October, I received a letter from CPM UK stating that I parked on private land without a permit. I appealed the letter due to the fact that these private spaces are on a road I already pay a council-issued resident parking permit for and as the bays as not marked, I mistakenly thought I was covered by my resident permit. There is a CPM sign but I didn’t park right next to it and therefore didn’t notice it. I also asked for all manner of documents and details that were in an appeals template I found, but they ignored them all and just essentially said I parked where I shouldn’t. Although this is true, I still think it was unclear.

I lost the appeal and while I know I can go further, doing so may mean I owe £100, instead of the reduced £60. What I’m trying to figure out is whether or not I’m likely going to have to pay it and am just delaying doing so and increasing the amount I’ve been asked to pay.

Is anyone able to please advise whether or not it’s best to just pay the £60 reduced fee to avoid the extra work and potentially higher amount, or if these further appeals, or even ignoring it completely, tend to prove effective for this sort of offence/parking company?

Grizebeck

No you don't fall for the "mugs discount period" don't bother appealing to the IAS.

Guitarman16

Grizebeck said:

No you don't fall for the "mugs discount period" don't bother appealing to the IAS.

So I don’t pay AND don’t appeal? Sorry if I’m being a mug by falling for the discount period, but this is all very new to me. I’m not understanding what option I should take now based on similar threads.

KeithP

Where exactly did this alleged parking event take place?

Gr1pr

Sometimes the option is, do nothing  ( appealing may only work where there are excellent appeal grounds. )

Nobody who replies regularly on here is going to recommend paying a private parking company 

Let an impartial independent judge decide in court, if it actually gets as far as a hearing in court !

Guitarman16

KeithP said:

Where exactly did this alleged parking event take place?

My road requires council-issued residents parking permit. There is a small section of the road, that fits two cars, which it turns out is private parking. There is a sign indicating this behind the back “space”. I assumed everywhere on the road was covered by the resident permit and didn’t realise the space I parked in was private.

Guitarman16

Gr1pr said:

Sometimes the option is, do nothing  ( appealing may only work where there are excellent appeal grounds. )

Nobody who replies regularly on here is going to recommend paying a private parking company 

Let an impartial independent judge decide in court, if it actually gets as far as a hearing in court !

Thanks. I understand that people on here are unlikely to suggest I pay, but I just don’t want to drag it out and eventually have to pay more, so I was just wondering if either appealing further or ignoring was a viable option, given my circumstances.

KeithP

Guitarman16 said:

KeithP said:

Where exactly did this alleged parking event take place?

My road requires council-issued residents parking permit. There is a small section of the road, that fits two cars, which it turns out is private parking. There is a sign indicating this behind the back “space”. I assumed everywhere on the road was covered by the resident permit and didn’t realise the space I parked in was private.

I am sorry, I don't understand that arrangement.

Are you saying that there is one part of this otherwise public highway - approximately the length of two cars - that is privately owned?

Gr1pr

Guitarman16 said:

Gr1pr said:

Sometimes the option is, do nothing  ( appealing may only work where there are excellent appeal grounds. )

Nobody who replies regularly on here is going to recommend paying a private parking company 

Let an impartial independent judge decide in court, if it actually gets as far as a hearing in court !

Thanks. I understand that people on here are unlikely to suggest I pay, but I just don’t want to drag it out and eventually have to pay more, so I was just wondering

1)  if either appealing further

or

2) ignoring was a viable option, given my circumstances.

1) no, absolutely pointless, especially with IPC AOS members, that would receive another rejection, doesn't achieve a cancellation, which would be the point in any appeal, appeals are wanting a cancellation of the PCN, doesn't happen, or extremely rarely if there are powerful legal arguments in play 

Here its about signage, lighting and landowner authority only, assumptions are worth nothing at all in contracts 

2) depends what you mean by viable. ? If this is in England and Wales, especially with UK CPM , its a strategy that will probably lead to a court claim, so a decision in civil court by a judge, within the next 6 years 

The only fair option is court 

Guitarman16

KeithP said:

Guitarman16 said:

KeithP said:

Where exactly did this alleged parking event take place?

My road requires council-issued residents parking permit. There is a small section of the road, that fits two cars, which it turns out is private parking. There is a sign indicating this behind the back “space”. I assumed everywhere on the road was covered by the resident permit and didn’t realise the space I parked in was private.

I am sorry, I don't understand that arrangement.

Are you saying that there is one part of this otherwise public highway - approximately the length of two cars - that is privately owned?

That’s right. On that side of the road, there is no footpath, but a narrow lay-by that is privately owned. The rest of the road can be parked on with a separate council-issued resident parking permit.

Guitarman16

Gr1pr said:

Guitarman16 said:

Gr1pr said:

Sometimes the option is, do nothing  ( appealing may only work where there are excellent appeal grounds. )

Nobody who replies regularly on here is going to recommend paying a private parking company 

Let an impartial independent judge decide in court, if it actually gets as far as a hearing in court !

Thanks. I understand that people on here are unlikely to suggest I pay, but I just don’t want to drag it out and eventually have to pay more, so I was just wondering

1)  if either appealing further

or

2) ignoring was a viable option, given my circumstances.

1) no, absolutely pointless, especially with IPC AOS members, that would receive another rejection, doesn't achieve a cancellation, which would be the point in any appeal, appeals are wanting a cancellation of the PCN, doesn't happen, or extremely rarely if there are powerful legal arguments in play 

Here its about signage, lighting and landowner authority only, assumptions are worth nothing at all in contracts 

2) depends what you mean by viable. ? If this is in England and Wales, especially with UK CPM , its a strategy that will probably lead to a court claim, so a decision in civil court by a judge, within the next 6 years 

The only fair option is court 

Thank you, that is very helpful. I think there’s an argument around lighting as I parked at night and genuinely had no idea, but given the likely higher fees and inconvenience that come with court it might be easier to suck it up and pay. I do appreciate the insight