how much gas

northernstar007

thriftytwosome said:

In the south, average over last 7 days 116 kWh per day @ 6.32p per kWh with So Energy.

6.32 is a bit steep, imo octopus are the cheapest with fab customer support have u checked other suppliers
there current fix is 5.8p for the north

matelodave

You lucky people, only paying around 6p/kwh for gas to heat your home and hot water.

Just have a thought for those who cant get gas and have to rely on electricity who need the same amount of heat but have to pay around  24p/kwh.

I have a heatpump which probably manages an efficiency of up to 300% (COP=3) if I'm lucky, which costs 8p/kwh. You have to achieve a COP of at least 4 to equate to gas and there are very few installation that manage that. COP gets a lot worse when the temp drops below around 5 degrees

My advice is to stay with gas and be grateful 

We got through about 35kwh of leccy on Thursday  when the day temp never got above 2 degrees - at 24.3p/kw = £12 for approx 100kwh of heating and hot water.  (140m2 bungalow, wet underfloor heating with a heatpump, hot water to 45 degrees heated once and heating to 19degrees from 0700-2100)

oldagetraveller1

Enough to avoid being hypothermic.

FreeBear

matelodave said:

You lucky people, only paying around 6p/kwh for gas to heat your home and hot water.

Just have a thought for those who cant get gas and have to rely on electricity who need the same amount of heat but have to pay around  24p/kwh.

I have a heatpump which probably manages an efficiency of up to 300% (COP=3) if I'm lucky, which costs 8p/kwh. You have to achieve a COP of at least 4 to equate to gas and there are very few installation that manage that. COP gets a lot worse when the temp drops below around 5 degrees

But if you have a smart meter, there are time of use tariffs that have cheaper slots, so your running costs could be reduced.

matelodave

I want heat when I'm at home which is mainly all day every day so cheap leccy through the night isn't really going to make a lot of difference except for the 2-3kwh that I use to heat water.

If I could persuade SWMBO to put up with not running the heating during the peak hours and doing the washing and other stuff during off peak periods I might be in with a chance.

I've experimented by trying to overheat the place during off-peak periods in the hope that it will retain it through the peak times to avoid the higher peak cost just doesn't work. You use more energy in the overheating phase and then still have to use peak to top up for an hour or so and TBH the grief from the whinging when the place cools down isn't worth any potential saving. I think I've manage to tweak as low as I can get it without too much complaining

As its often said, a happy wife makes for a happy life and so far we've managed nearly 58 years together

Now I could possibly afford to get solar panels and even a battery, at 78 I'm probably too old to realise the payback

HouseMartin567

Wednesday-Friday I’ve been around 55-60kwh per day (at about 5.6p kWh). That includes heating and also normal showering/dishwashing etc. I’ve been WFH so have been putting the heating on when I get up at 7am and turning it off about 8pm.  I’ve kept it to 17 degrees for all of that time - granted it takes a few hours to reach that temp.

molerat

matelodave said:

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My advice is to stay with gas and be grateful 

We got through about 35kwh of leccy on Thursday  when the day temp never got above 2 degrees - at 24.3p/kw = £12 for approx 100kwh of heating and hot water.  (140m2 bungalow, wet underfloor heating with a heatpump, hot water to 45 degrees heated once and heating to 19degrees from 0700-2100)

And there was me complaining that we spent £5.34 (at 5.5p) per day on gas for the past 3 days keeping the house at 18-20 deg 24/7 including background heat in the conservatory and loads of hot water.  In 2020 that would have cost me £2.54

The 4 corners of my house face N, S, NW & SE.  We live on top of a hill - we look down on the town hill top monument - with the N corner pointing towards the sea 5Km away and the wind zips between Norway and Iceland with nothing in the way to slow it down.

mac.d

3 different houses during this cold snap all in the north.

3 bedroom (high use in an old, cold house): 80-120kWh (last week it was 50-80kWh) @ 5.5p (approx £7 per day on Wed & Thu  )
2 bedroom (ave/high use, newer build): 60-100kWh (last week it was 30-50kWh) 
2 bedroom flat (low use) 40-50kWh (last week it was 20-30kWh)

MattMattMattUK

matelodave said:

I want heat when I'm at home which is mainly all day every day so cheap leccy through the night isn't really going to make a lot of difference except for the 2-3kwh that I use to heat water.

If I could persuade SWMBO to put up with not running the heating during the peak hours and doing the washing and other stuff during off peak periods I might be in with a chance.

I've experimented by trying to overheat the place during off-peak periods in the hope that it will retain it through the peak times to avoid the higher peak cost just doesn't work. You use more energy in the overheating phase and then still have to use peak to top up for an hour or so and TBH the grief from the whinging when the place cools down isn't worth any potential saving. I think I've manage to tweak as low as I can get it without too much complaining

As its often said, a happy wife makes for a happy life and so far we've managed nearly 58 years together

Now I could possibly afford to get solar panels and even a battery, at 78 I'm probably too old to realise the payback

Have you looked at Octopus Cosy? You should be able to make significant savings over a standard tariff. 

matelodave

MattMattMattUK said:

matelodave said:

I want heat when I'm at home which is mainly all day every day so cheap leccy through the night isn't really going to make a lot of difference except for the 2-3kwh that I use to heat water.

If I could persuade SWMBO to put up with not running the heating during the peak hours and doing the washing and other stuff during off peak periods I might be in with a chance.

I've experimented by trying to overheat the place during off-peak periods in the hope that it will retain it through the peak times to avoid the higher peak cost just doesn't work. You use more energy in the overheating phase and then still have to use peak to top up for an hour or so and TBH the grief from the whinging when the place cools down isn't worth any potential saving. I think I've manage to tweak as low as I can get it without too much complaining

As its often said, a happy wife makes for a happy life and so far we've managed nearly 58 years together

Now I could possibly afford to get solar panels and even a battery, at 78 I'm probably too old to realise the payback

Have you looked at Octopus Cosy? You should be able to make significant savings over a standard tariff. 

here is the answer I gave to Gerry on another thread

"Assuming that you can get a COP of four (although three is more realistic unless you are a dedicated geek) then leccy at 7p/kwh = 1.75p/kwh for heat which is may be achievable but if you need the heatpump to run through the peak hours as well (which I guess most people would) then it could cost you more. 

Octopus Cozy has three rates (equivalent cost per kwh using a COP 3 heatpump in brackets)

Cheap rate approx 12.5p (4.1)  between 0400:0700, 13:00-16:00 and 22:00-00:00 = 8 hours but generally not when most people would heat their homes unless you are at home all day, where the afternoon bit would help. You might get the hot water overnight and possibly a bit of heating before you get up (although most heatpumps don't heat hot water at the same time as they provide heating)

Most of the rest of the time its around 26p (8.66) except for three hours between 16:00 - 19:00 when most people want to get home from work/school, cook dinner and heat the place when it goes up to around 37.5p (12.5)/kwh.

I'm not saying that you cant make it work but it needs more faffing around with your schedules than most people could be bothered with.

My heating turns down over night and I use it during the day and the evening so apart from the cheap bit in the afternoon I couldn't really benefit much from the overnight bit and I'd be hammered during the peak time which is when we lose any solar gain through the windows and the house cools down more quickly.

At present I pay around 24.42p/kwh so assuming that I get a COP of 3 then a kwh or leccy costs me 8.14p if I was luck enough to get a COP of four the it would work out at 6.1p around the same price as gas

In fact I've just done the sums base on our hourly smart meter data for last Thursday (it was ever so cold) and without any cooking Cozy would have cost me an extra 20p over the 52kwh we used (approx 35 for heating). I could probably have tweaked the timings of some stuff but it wouldn't really have saved all that much.

Had we cooked our evening meal at our usual time in the peak period would probably have added another 12-15p